Grateful Dead

30 Days of Dead November 7

Today's Song

Saint Of Circumstance
Hint: A song debuted in 1979, and almost always joined with its partner, until 1986, after which it would be played sporadically on its own
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Answer

Mountain View, CA, Shoreline Amphitheatre
9/18/1994
Saint Of Circumstance was played with its partner song Lost Sailor 1979-1986, after which the Dead dropped Sailor, and kept Saint in the repertoire sporadically

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Great song :)

Great song :)

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great song

thanks for doing this 30 days every year, it is much appreciated

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Saint

Thanks, Colorado Jay. Sounded good enough to be earlier than '94! Were still some gems in '94...

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Wrong date

Saint debuted on 8/31/79, this can't be the correct date for this show! No wonder there were no winners on this one!!

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Hints ‘n’ Clues

Lots of commentary this year about this topic. Dead.net’s ‘hints’ over the years rarely have been much help, but determined seekers haven’t let that deter their search, many reporting success nearly every day. ‘Clues’ from us commentators seem to range from vague and not much help, to clever and quite helpful, to crassly giving it away, to just plain wrong.
In my opinion, wjonjd’s Bill Walton clue was the best yet. Of course I’m a huge fan of NCAA basketball! Pretty cool that Monday’s BEW was being performed by the GD in Baltimore while Deadhead Walton was making college basketball history in St. Louis.

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Vworp vworp!

Um, unless the Dead and/or Bill Graham had a TARDIS, this date is off, as The Dump didn't open until 1986, and Saint debuted in 1979.

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Saint?

This obviously isn't '74. What's the right date/show?

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9-18-94 Shoreline

Is the correct date and venue

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Day 7 - WRONG DATE

Shoreline wasn't around in 1974.....OOOOPS!!

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does that say 74?

typo?

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Hints? where are they?

on this Saint song the only hint I see is

Hint: A song debuted in 1979, and almost always joined with its partner, until 1986, after which it would be played sporadically on its own

not much of a hint, it seems I am missing something, did not see anything about bill walton on the BEW song from yesterday

what am i missing here?
thx

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One week in

One week into this and so far I've only gotten the Unbroken Chain and today's Saint, although I did miss the first two days. 2 for 5. Today's hint was helpful in that it sent me in the right direction

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tone

I appreciate these free downloads as much as anyone. Special thanks to that dude whose site crashed offering the whole history of Novembers.

I kicked in $10... felt a little cheap, but seemed OK. You never know with these things.

My point: these mp3's kind of sound like shit. Like an old Maxell, too much hiss, flat dynamics and just a general junk sound.

Hey, you get what you pay for. I ain't complainin', just sayin'.

Out.

\m/

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Tip: "Add New Comment" vs "Reply"

A helpful hint for posting (not for songs so much):

If you want to create a new post that stands alone at the top of the most current page of posts then click the "Add A New Comment" just below the yellow box showing the previous day's answer. If you click on the last "Reply" link that you see at the bottom of a page, then you are replying only to that person directly above that particular "Reply" link. This will put your post directly under that person (or possibly on the previous page if a page break occurs) and you will not see your post on top of the most current page. And of course if you do intend to just reply to a particular person's post then clicking the reply directly under it is the way to go.

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For me

It's about narrowing down the era/decade/keyboardists first, then working from there. I don't think I'm spoiling much by saying this is clearly post-Brent, but if Bruce is there or not, I couldn't tell just from listening. There are certainly grand piano and electric piano parts, but Vince was versatile.

A cool thing about the Dead is that every version is different, it's not just a cliche. I can usually figure the version out by comparing the first four measures to possible matches. Versions differ in how the instruments roll into the song, and the notes they're playing. And even in the audio mix of the song. These characteristics are all usually unique to any particular version. In this SoC, Bob's chords are way high in the mix, and way screechy. Those are pretty unique characteristics. You can listen to dozens of other versions, and they won't have that exact same audio quality.

So I can usually pick out the right version by the second or third measure, based on those unique characteristics. Keep listening through for confirmation, and crack a cold one to celebrate a job well-done.

And avoid the bad clues. Here's a good one--this place was a dump.

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Agreed

Listening on good headphones to hear the fine details, comparing to shows on the archive, and more often than not those first few bars is all it takes once you have it narrowed down to the correct era based on other factors (keyboards, tone, drums, Jer's voice, etc.) or provided clues (although those can often be misleading or too obscure for me).

As for today, your clue (with a little help from Google) was the piece that finally got me there after listening to a handful of renditions from post-Brent years.

Yesterday, the Edgar Allan Poe references got me to the correct location (I recalled that he lived in Baltimore for a portion of his life) and the Bill Walton references narrowed down the time frame so made it a quick effort to find the right show on the first try.

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Yes

Good points! The sound of Bobby's and Jerry's guitar tones are important too (although the year was a surprise for me once I found this "Saint" as far as Jerry's tone goes here - he used a guitar sound on today's song that I loved from 4-5 years prior). But yes, keyboard eras are key too. For those that are just beginning the 30 Days challenge or having some troubles, I would listen closely to Bob & JG's tones and the overall mix of all instruments (is it crystal clear digital-ish sounding OR does it show some thickness/fuzziness that may point you to earlier decades). And also listen to the keyboardists' tones AND the high backing vocals. That high vocal thing can be important depending on the song.

Somebody on a previous day was going down a path of hearing only one drummer but the song that day was not from the 70s - the overall mix & guitar tones was showing that the recording had to be from a more modern era. I could see why the drummer thing was confusing though, as one of them was lower in the mix.

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Baltimore Civic Center 3/26/1973

What a show, from stem to stern

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Pretty Good Vintage

I myself liked it well enough.

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another long search here

after a few hours of saints last night had to give up. was all over the map, despite what i was hearing. of course the show was the next one on the list where i gave up last night. so if i don't count last night's searches i got it on the first try. should have listened to my search mantra-just one more show. that's how it suddenly becomes 3 am. is it midnight yet?, i wanna go again!

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I'm gonna go for it, that fo'sho

I had to find this one the old school way. Years ago I loved going from show to show for hours until I found the right one. But, the past couple of years I've gotten lazy and just waited until a good hint came along to save me time. No such hint came today. (In fact, some of the hints sent me in very wrong directions.) Making it harder is that this is an era I virtually never visit. But, I decided to trust my ears and my gut and start listening to every show in an era that sounded similar. Surprisingly, it did not take me that long. I even played both recording at the same time to get that cool phaser sound. Today's pick was time consuming, but I had a great time.

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I Love Free as much as the

I Love Free as much as the rest of you, and I certainly appreciate the help all my brothers provided getting the past years I lost in the great hard drive crash of 2017. ....BUT, I am feeling a lack of longer jams and the unusual pairing of years past. Just saying I didn't even download till this afternoon! (I get up at 4:00 AM and was a little underwhelmed) Maybe it's more about making the contest harder..I don't know does that make me an un GRATEFUL dick?

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No...

Just ungrateful, but nothing worse than that. The longer jams and unusual pairings are all sitting in the internet archive...for free. So, you've got that going for you, which is nice.

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I Love Free as much as the

I Love Free as much as the rest of you, and I certainly appreciate the help all my brothers provided getting the past years I lost in the great hard drive crash of 2017. ....BUT, I am feeling a lack of longer jams and the unusual pairing of years past. Just saying I didn't even download till this afternoon! (I get up at 4:00 AM and was a little underwhelmed) Maybe it's more about making the contest harder..I don't know does that make me an un GRATEFUL

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Only Day 7

It's only Day 7. We are in for many more treats. They might repeat a year or so in the 30 Days, but I think they will definitely hit up the heady years of experimental excursions.

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Maybe?

Second one I've not been too sure on. Last time I was wrong, so this time..........

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Tough One

Took me awhile, but some very distinctive keys early on that make it obvious when you get it.

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Listen

I set a personal record. I heard the keys and the words, then went to one show. Bingo. That’s as honest as a man can be.

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This must be heaven...

Or close enough to pretend... Not my favorite era of Dead, but this version sounds very good. I think I got it. My first entry into this years "30 Days", unfortunately I missed the first week of chances. Sure don't know what I'm goin' for, But I'm gonna go for it for sure!!!

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I finally got it . . . .

Chrisr777 . . . spot on.

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Or spot a bit off?

Or spot off?
Spot the difference.
Spot the dog.
Spot the boards.
Spot the -ists or -ist?

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Start.....

With triple seven's point and work from there. His comment is correct, which narrows things down a ton, especially if you know when Bruce was Ghandi.

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Alright.....

Two years of Saint of Circumstance... and they all sounded alike to me. I wasn't sure about the nuances in these two years, but I had to jump in with one of them.....

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Two keyboards

That should narrow it down a bit

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2 boards or -ists?

Multliple keyboard instruments, yes.
But are there really two keyboardISTS that you are hearing?

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Good point

This clue actually threw me off at first and I was looking at the wrong years.

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Not two keyboardists, and...

Look at dougbr1ne's post below for a great venue hint.

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Thanks!

Yes, the town & venue have quite the extremes in their names.

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;)

This song always seemed a little adrift without the Sailor's view of beckoning shore lights to set it up.

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Saint of Circumstance

Bobby gives a little clue in this one...two times

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Mountain View, CA

At 6:15 - 6:23 Bob is singing about the "top of the mountain, you can see far and wide...still can't see that other mountain..."...seems like a reference to the venue location: Mountain View, CA.

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Clues from yesterday:

Day 6: Brown Eyed Women
(Keith on keys; Keith’s tenure: 10/19/71-2/17/79) – (one drummer show: Mickey out of band from 2/19/71-10/19/74) last show before leaving was 2/18/71 at The Cap and 1st show back was the last show b4 boys quit for over a year on 10/20/74) the clip has to be not commercially released so that eliminates Winterland '73 box set shows, E72 tour that was released, Dick’s vol 5 (12/26/79) & vol 7 (9/9/74) that include a BEW for example] (note: Dec ’73 Donna out on maternity leave, not relevant here as she does not sing on BEW) BILL WALTON WON NCAA TITLE THIS NIGHT and that was the big clue that a head gave yesterday, I had just found the 3/26/73 show on archive and was jamming it when I read that clue and was starting to realize it was very close (as was 3/28/73.) once I synced dave's clip w/ 3/26 it became obvious even though billy's snare hit intro clue was not there as it had been cut or not recorded by the taper on archive, jerry's little false start notes before they played it (to signal the song) helped. I listened to every fkng BEW from 73 backwards in time starting in December.

I use the process of elimination best I can.

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Commercial release / studio recording??

Hey August! I checked out the Winterland shows too since they weren't "studio recorded" releases... like Europe '72...If I understood the hint right.

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Donna on bew and studio vs unreleased

I meant to say w/ one drummer Donna did not sing on BEW. Also, per dave the song will be something never commercially released but that does not rule out unreleased studio stuff as I remember one year he killed us w/ a rare studio TMNS if my memory serves....

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Donna on bew and studio vs unreleased

I meant to say w/ one drummer Donna did not sing on BEW. Also, per dave the song will be something never commercially released but that does not rule out unreleased studio stuff as I remember one year he killed us w/ a rare studio TMNS if my memory serves....

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Donna

I've definitely heard BEW with Donna singing, but only post-hiatus versions. Not sure if it was every time, but that pretty much ruled out everything post '74 for me.

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Donna on bew and studio v unreleased

I meant to say w/ one drummer Donna did not sing on BEW. Also, per dave he cut will be something never commercially released but that does not rule out unreleased studio stuff as I remember one year he killed us w/ a rare studio TMNS I think

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Hey! this must be heaven

Because I finally got this one.

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tonight I crossed the line!

Luckily it wasn't the last stop on the line.

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Whew... long search

I kept changing my year in my searches! Doing that made me keep overlooking ONE SHOW in my adventure through the GD dates. And of course it was the one. Turns out Bob added that little da-da-da climb on the guitar at the tail end of the song more times than I would have though. But it's the little pushes on the whammy bar that sets it apart from the other versions. Then some keys tinklings at the end too - they were confusing at first as to the era. I searched far & wide from the high vistas to the lows of the waterfronts in the great depths of the archives. Finally got it.

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