Grateful Dead

April 24 Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf

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After two consecutive shows that were played in front of TV cameras (4/17 Copenhagen and 4/21 Bremen) the Grateful Dead returned to playing for just-the-fans (and the multi-track recorder, thankfully!) with this terrific show in Dusseldorf, a show so good it is the only show that was released in its entirety prior to 2011.

Tune in to a stream of "Loser" from this show.

Setlist:
CD 1 of 4
Truckin'
Tennessee Jed
Chinatown Shuffle
Black Throated Wind
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Mr. Charlie
Beat it on Down the Line
Loser Listen to this song
Playing in the Band
CD 2 of 4
Next Time You See Me
Me and Bobby McGee
Good Lovin'
Casey Jones
He's Gone
Hurts Me Too
El Paso
CD 3 of 4
Dark Star
Me and My Uncle
Dark Star
Wharf Rat
Sugar Magnolia
CD 4 of 4
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad
Not Fade Away
One More Saturday Night



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Joined: Jun 15 2007
Loser x2

You guys just made Loser available on the 16th, so why another one only eight days later? Me and Bobby McGee might have been nice, or Mr. Charlie.

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Joined: Jun 6 2007
Four Discs?

The last two discs of this release fit on to Disc 3 of my copy of "Rockin' the Rhein" - does this mean that there is something missing from my current copy?

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Four discs....

Interesting. As rogo mentioned, this is available in as 3 disc set and with a couple of bonus tracks to boot. The Rockin' The Rhein version also has the complete set list in proper order. The two bonus tracks and timings for each are Turn on Your Love Light – 12:04 and The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion) – 8:23 both from 5/24/72 Lyceum. Does this mean that there is more than 20:27 worth of in between song banter, tuning and "Dead" space? Are there soundcheck songs from this show not mentioned in the list above?

I can see the benefit of having a remixed version. Curious.......

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Possible partial explanation...

The two bonus tracks at the end of disc two of "Rockin' The Rhein" will obviously appear on the 5/24 set of discs. This means that disc two would then be comparatively short, so I guess it was decided to move "Next Time You See Me" and "Me And Bobby McGee" from the end of disc one to the beginning of disc two to balance the length of the two discs rather than have one long and one short disc. Just my possible explanation, As for disc three now becoming discs three and four without any extra songs appearing in the set list - I have no idea, maybe we are in for a surprise here, but the nine songs are a tight fit on one disc so very little would have to be added to require a fourth disc. Maybe the banter / tuning etc. between songs was edited on "Rockin' The Rhein" to get those nine songs to fit on one disc. This time around, commercial constraints have taken second place to doing it just exactly perfectly and this may be why we are getting two discs instead of one for those nine songs - two 41 minute discs instead of one 79 minute disc?

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simonrob

Sounds like a pretty fair guess as to what's going on. Of course, disc three will be longer than 41 minutes, since the Dark Star alone is around 41 if I'm not mistaken. Making disc 4 fairly short. But that's fine, the Dark Star -> Uncle -> Dark Star -> Wharf Rat is plenty to digest in a sitting.

I've said this before but why pass up a golden opportunity to repeat it........this is arguably my favorite Dark Star ever. Lovely Wharf Rat, too.

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Joined: Mar 12 2009
What IS the correct setlist?

From the Rockin' the Rhein iTunes album review:

According to the liner notes "...some very minor adjustments had to be made to the show's running order, both to keep all of the musical sequences intact and to present you with the complete show, unabridged." Producer Jeffrey Norman commented, "I realize everyone is used to the CD order because that's the order on the [surreptitiously traded] rough mixes, but that's not truly how the sets went down. I found that out when I put on the multi-tracks and listened to the segues between songs, as well as the '...thank you we'll be right back...' after [both] "Casey Jones" and "Sugar Magnolia." If we had kept the original set order, we would have had to break up the long segments. [The approach we chose] seemed a more musically, if not historically, pleasing thing to do." Hence, there were, in fact, three sets played that night. The first is replicated as it happened, while the second boasted the meaty "Dark Star" suite running through "Sugar Magnolia." According to Norman, the third consisted of: "He's Gone," "It Hurts Me Too," "El Paso," "Not Fade Away">"Going Down the Road Feelin' Bad">"Not Fade Away (Reprise)," followed by the "One More Saturday Night" encore.

Although it could apparently be easily accomplished by using 4 CDs, that's not what I see on the track listings given above. What's up with this?

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A possibility in regards to 4 discs for this show....

After browsing Deadbase, and according to them, the first show of the E72 tour at Wembly Empire Pool (4/7/72) had a soundcheck of Hey Bo Diddley, which is not mentioned on the CD tracklisting on that page. Also according to some of the E72 emails, apparently they discovered a number of unknown soundchecks. Perhaps the extra disc and space means that they did a hefty soundcheck/warmup at this show in Dusseldorf. Perhaps they are withholding some of the suprises/discoveries.

Also, according to Deadbase, the 05-16-72 Radio Luxembourg sound check is Big River and Sugar Magnolia. I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.

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Soundchecks.

Personally, I wouldn't expect to see the soundchecks listed in the setlists. Furthermore, I suspect that TPTB will leave a few surprises unmentioned, so that everyone goes "Wow" when they receive the box (You know, like everyone went "Wow" when they first tried Windows Vista! Oh, what, maybe that's a poor comparison! Sorry)

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Joined: Mar 12 2009
AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON HERE NOT RIDING THE SHORT BUS !?!?!

Well, it looks like I finally got an answer to my question... the CD track listings given above are NOT what actually appears on the final product!!! The CDs now follow the correct listing that I asked about, and that is why it needed 4 CDs. FWIW, I don't even have mine yet since I'm waiting for the music only edition, but I was able to find an ebay listing of the individual show to check out an image of the back of the CD package with the track list. Good to see they got it right :)

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April 24 Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf