Grateful Dead

Dave's Picks Volume 1

For a limited time we invite you to enjoy Lazy Lightning>Supplication from Dave's Picks Volume 1 - The Mosque, Richmond, VA, 5.25.77.

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Joined: Jun 7 2007
Huh?

Some of you have already received your Dave's Picks Vol. 1????????? I haven't even received my Road Trips Vol. 4 No. 5. Thanks Rhino. My reward for dishing out for Europe '72, the Road Trips subscription and the Dave's Picks subscription? Sheesh.

Anyway, perhaps the compression issue is due to two things: 1. For some reason, Jeffrey Norman/the mastering engineer is falling prey to the loudness wars and is cranking up the levels, and 2. These have peak extension (or whatever it's called) and you are listening to these without HDCD decoding, meaning you're having some of the dynamic range cut (think of it as missing out on the extra 4-bits).

I agree that some of the more recent releases sound a bit...loud. Well, maybe not loud but certainly a bit 2-dimensional. I can understand that working from sound-desk tapes but multi-track mixes should never lack dynamics.

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Joined: Jul 20 2007
Sound

Little Ben Clock - sorry to hear you're still waiting for RT 4.5. I did have a delay with that too, but had very fast and helpful response by emailing the customer service email (I'm sure you've tried that though).

As for DaP1 - I don't think anyone has gotten that yet, ships in Feb is my understanding... (I think some folks were commenting on the Lazy/Supp sample, or perhaps on the copy of 5/25/77 they already have at home).

As for sound - first, thanks for your comments about the loudness factor - and your point about HDCD makes sense (though it does say that it is supposed to sound "better" even on non-HDCD players). You help me feel a little less like a whiny ingrate. Especially since I just got my Cyber Monday shipment: Winterland '77 Box (and it actually included the 5/12/77 Bonus Disc, holy Schnikes!), RT 4.3 and 4.4, and Rotterdam '72. I went straight for Rotterdam and WOW does it sound amazing. All the warmth of a hissy analog tape, without the hiss (I mean, none - the silence is golden delicious). Nice (yes I know, multitrack).

I'm looking forward to DaP1 for sure, but I now have a bit to keep me occupied...

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Joined: Jun 4 2007
RT 4.5

I've had my copy for several weeks now. but have been deprived of being able to listen to discs two and three as they have manufacturing glitches that render them unplayable. I requested replacements immediately through Marye, but am starting to feel like Dr Rhino is ignoring me.

Since '93, I've purchased almost every release. During that time, a handful of the CDs I've recieved have had glitch issues...

Dicks Picks #9 disc 1 - replaced immediately

Rockin' The Rhine disc 2 - purchased at a The Dead concert in '04 replaced immediately after I requested them along with bad discs from my RT 3.4 in 2010.

RT 3.4 discs 1 and 2 - requested replacements along with Rockin' The Rhine. The sent me replacements within a week.

Built To Last - purchased at a Best Buy store but don't remember when. the bonus tracks Blow Away and California Earthquake won't play. never asked for a replacement.

RT 4.5 discs 2 and 3 - immediately requested replacements but have recieved nothing, despite multiple requests.

That comes to 7 bad discs in 5 releases. The ratio of bad batch discs is unusually high which leads me to believe that there are major issues at the manufacturing source.

I'm glad that there were no issues with my E72 Box purchase. I would be livid.

I look forward to Dave's Picks, but if I encounter any bad discs in my 2012 subscription, I may opt out of any future Grateful Dead purchases indefinitely while Rhino is in charge of distribution.

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Joined: May 1 2010
Ha!

Just got to the last show of Europe '72 and two of the discs are jacked. I have been going around and around with Dead.net customer service who told me, effectively, that I needed to contact Dr. Rhino and to have a nice life. Now they say it may take weeks more. Whythe f<&k can't someone walk back into the store room and snag the disc and get it in the mail tomorrow? Really, it should be that easy.

Good thing I have about 27000 more CDs to listen to. I know, I'm acting like a spoiled brat, but come on! $450!!!

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Joined: Feb 2 2010
concerned

Now everyone has me freaked out about my Europe '72 box. It will be years before I'm able to listen to each show in its entirety, so is there a quick way to discover any bad discs? If track #1 on each disc starts playing, will that be enough to know that the entire disc is good? Or do I need to sit and listen to all 80 hours (or whatever), minute-by-minute to know that all is well? Thanks!

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Joined: Jun 7 2007
Oops

OK, sorry. I don't know why I thought people already had their DP No. 1. On here too late at night.

To qualify what I said about HDCD (and remember, I know virtually nothing about this) the Dead releases have been HDCD encoded for years so even if you aren't listening with HDCD decoding, the fact some of the more recent discs are louder than those preceding suggests that the mastering is louder, which is a pity. As far as I can tell, the Dead was never about volume for the sake of it and always used loads of dynamics in the music. Hopefully DP No. 1 keeps things calm and cool. For what it's worth, I quite liked the sound of To Terrapin.

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Joined: May 1 2010
I actually found it by

I actually found it by ripping all the discs. I haven't listened to them all yet. I worry about this kind of thing all the time with these multi-disc sets that are all the rage now from the classical music labels. They go out of print so fast that there will be no way I will be able to replace disc number 142 of the Complete Bach Edition, for instance.

Luckily with the Dead, there are usually old SBDs or AUDs to fall back on.

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Joined: Jul 20 2007
Arista same issue

About bad discs - Not long after it came out, I bought Ladies and Gentlemen Fillmore 71. Of course, the thing I looked forward to most was Alligator jams on Disc 4. It was a bad disc! I never got a single reply from Arista back then, and, full disclosure, ended up trading an SHN of some jam (I forget which) with someone who burned me a copy of LG disc 4. In other words, if you buy the product, and don't get it resolved, that would seem a fair solution (though not as good, the disc doesn't have the cool tie dye thing like the others, ha).

Other point - so far for me Dead.net service and Rhino has been fantastic (lucky I guess?) and it was Arista that gave me fits. go figure.

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Joined: Jan 29 2011
Yes deadheadbrewer

When I got my set several discs skipped on a Sony SACD player. I tried them again on an identical player. Same results. I however tried them on other players and they did NOT skip. I bought another player and they played fine. I'm not suggesting you purchase another player, however it might be your player. In some Dead-centric sites I'm on no-one has reported these problems. So it seems like it is rare as I have read skipping complaints elsewhere and the discussions are mostly about the music, mixes etc., in relation to circulating 72 recordings. When imposed the question of damaged discs many people including Charlie Miller told me to use a program like EAC to Test the discs. I can't remember which one Charlie recommended, but I used Exact Audio Copy and tested each disc. I took a few hours and confirmed that my discs were fine but my player was finicky with these discs. Since then I have played the set through on an Integra player and noticed none of the audible blemishes I heard on my Sony SACD players. I'm not implying that one should have to purchase a player to play these but in 20 years plus of buying discs I've had ones that certain players don't like. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. I'd suggest EAC , a free program, to find out if they are ok. None of my friends that bought the set are having trouble either. So while I think that there are some problems, I don't think that the percentage is as high as what it appears if you look at other sites with Dead. Net collectively. Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Joined: Dec 14 2011
wow!

Long time Deadhead (and Dave's subscriber), I've never been tempted to comment on a release before seeing this. I like the logo and motif of the Dave's Picks, an excellent start.

This cover art on the other hand, is an unbelievable piece of garbage. This "art" doesn't really have a timeless feel to match the music. Nor does it do any justice to the musicians, crew, and production staff that worked so hard putting this concert and release together. Was the font on the bottom intended to compliment the logo?

My only hope is that George Lucas catches wind of this second rate hack job and issues a cease and desist.

Mr. Pincus you can do better than this. Please rethink.

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