Another Guitarist Poll Disses Jerry!
I should be used to this by now and have a tougher skin. But I can't help myself. I was outraged when the latest issue of Rolling Stone arrived a few days ago with its cover story on the “100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time.” The list was compiled from picks by a truly diverse group of guitarists young and old— including Trey Anastasio, Ritchie Blackmore, Tom Morello, Robbie Krieger, the Black Keys' Dan Auerbach, Scotty Moore, Andy Summers and Carlos Santana, to name just a few of the more than 50—plus a handful of rock journalists and music industry folks. The article reveals nothing about the poll's methodology—how many guitarists the respondents could list, what criteria should be considered, etc. Are these “favorites”? “The best”? “Most influential”? Probably all those things, to varying degrees.
The #1 choice was no surprise—Jimi Hendrix, of course. And most of the other members of the Top Ten are names that have always placed high on these sorts of lists—and there have been a million of 'em—through the years: Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Jeff Beck, B.B. King, Chuck Berry, Eddie Van Halen, Duane Allman and Pete Townshend. All fine guitarists. OK, Chuck Berry is on there for essentially inventing one riff (and several variations thereof)… but what a great and important riff it was!
Yet the glaring injustice in this top 100 is ranking Jerry Garcia as #46. Really? Below Johnny Ramone (#28)? Curtis Mayfield (#34)? Frickin' Randy Rhoads (#36; tragic death—always a good career move)? Bo Diddley (#27)? Cat had one riff he stole from Johnny Otis, and was not a good guitarist. But, yeah, influential for sure. Still, I'm not here to criticize other guitarists (though it sure is fun). I'm just sayin'…
Alas, Jerry is never going to get his props in these sorts of polls, just as Phil never fares well in Greatest Bassists surveys (how absurd!), nor Mickey and Bill in Greatest Drummers lists. (I would also argue that Weir is a better and more inventive player than most in Rolling Stone's 100, too, but I guess it's too much to expect people to appreciate the subtleties and intricacies of his playing. After all, he's “just” a rhythm guitarist, right? Wrong!) The sad fact is that all the members of the Grateful Dead—and the group itself—will always be underrated by people unable to look beyond the surface cliché: an acid-rock band that noodled endlessly and aimlessly during their five-hour concerts for an audience of stoned hippies. This common misconception can be the only reason why the Dead didn't make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame during their first year of eligibility back in 1993. Can you imagine?
To enumerate Jerry's gifts as a guitarist here is preaching to the choir, I suppose. But let me just tick off a few salient points. No major rock guitarist ever traversed as many different styles and idioms as Garcia (no, not even Frank Zappa). He was comfortable playing blues, folk, jazz, country, free-form avant-garde, standards, bluegrass, Motown, Latin; you name it. Not only could he navigate through all those genres, he always sounded like himself when he did—the Garcia style is instantly recognizable and unique. He was a master improviser who, rather than automatically accepting conventional ideas about form and structure, constantly looked for opportunities to extend or escape those limitations. He took chances: His intoxicating spirit of adventure and musical fearlessness led him places that were often unexpected, weird, wonderful, beautiful, scary and just about any other adjective you can conjure. The landscape (and spacescape) he covered was unimaginably immense. He was the consummate ensemble player, sensitive to the musicians around him, but also not afraid to take charge and lead. At his best, his solos were masterful melodic constructions with brilliantly conceived tonal shadings and an indefinable—but clear—rhythmic logic that rivaled some of the greatest jazz musicians, from Django to Coltrane (both of whom he admired and studied). And the breadth and depth of his own songwriting and choices of songs to cover brought out so many emotions in his playing, that we, as fans, were privileged to accompany him on his remarkable musical journey that was at once intensely personal (for him and for us) yet somehow also drew us all together.
Do I have to disqualify myself from this argument because I'm a Dead Head? To the contrary, I'm a Dead Head in large part because of Garcia's guitar playing. I've always been a guitar guy. I worshipped at the altar of Hendrix and Clapton in the '60s, but also dug Cipollina, Jorma and Barry Melton. John McLaughlin and Duane Allman blew my mind in the early '70s, and my life was enriched by Neil Young, Ry Cooder, James Burton and so many others later in that decade. I've seen Lindsey Buckingham be God-for-a-night with Fleetwood Mac, and Bruce Springsteen tear it up like no one else can. I've been transported by The Edge, dug the primal growl of John Lee Hooker's axe and enjoyed the fluid perfection of Mike Campbell. No one riffs better than Keith Richards, and in his prime Stevie Ray was just about untouchable. Bonnie Raitt is still killing it on slide and Bill Frisell exudes an elegant simplicity I find very appealing. Is there anything Los Lobos' David Hidalgo can't do? Flashy or tasteful, electric or acoustic—I just love guitar.
But something about Garcia's playing spoke to me on a level that no other player ever has. Call it a soul connection, maybe. It's hard to communicate what that's like to others, but chances are you know what I'm talking about. Think about the opening of “Birdsong,” the quietest parts of “Stella Blue,” the roar of the climax of “Morning Dew,” the breezy lilt of a great “Eyes” solo, the dramatic ascension towards the end of “Slipknot!” or any number of other passages that sweep us up and carry us away. Perhaps he wasn't as influential as some other guitarists, but that's in part because he was a singular talent in what always was (and will be) a cult band.
That's why Jerry's not #46 on my list. I can honestly say he's #1, and no else is even close.
Jerry and his “Wolf” guitar, 1974.
Peter Cosey and Henry Vestine-great players with Miles Davis and Canned Heat respectively-prompted me to think of Alan Wilson (Blind Owl in Canned Heat) also, Jonapi
thanks for link Blair; would love to catch that movie! maybe it's bootleg time when we move to Japan next year; it'll be there somewhere!!
here's a couple of tasters to whet the appetite, from Davy Graham & Robbie Basho respectively -
Davy Graham -
Robbie Basho -
have good weekends everyone.
...when you were going to weigh in, Jonapi. Lots of good names on your list and many I need to check out. Among the ones that I, too, admire are Steve Hillage ("L" is my favorite), Grant Green (love my Blue Note "Retrospective"), Marc Ribot (not always my cup of tea, but he's done some amazing stuff), and, of course, Django, whom I really listen to a lot, and have for years--so many moods and such technique... Wrecking Crew guys are a bit tasteful and restrained for me, but all super-talented, obviously. (I interviewed Tommy Tedesco 30-plus years ago and found him a wonderful guy... And If you ever get a chance to see the "Wrecking Crew" movie made by his son and which has been making the rounds at festivals for a couple of years but still has no distributor, you won't be disappointed! Here's a little piece I wrote about it a few year back for Mix: http://mixonline.com/post/features/sfp-wrecking-crew/ )
yes, some great comments; jerry will indeed be chuckling and pretty pleased i think. he wanted to convey emotion and to strive for lyricism and inspiration, not court popularity or acceptance.
however much i adore the Dead, i can't see Jerry in the number one position (that would've been frightening if that had hit the news stands!!!); would've required a major dosage of all the critics. actually, good idea......
but there is never any criteria given for these polls; is it for originality? changing the course of popular music in the widest possible sense? technical ability?
each rule would provide a different list.
if it was originality, then most of the people on the list would disappear; if technical ability, then we would have got a terribly bland list of incredible dexterity but in large parts, devoid of music that would touch you on a deeper level. and how about the ability to frame a song? while i'm not a fan of Springsteen, his guitar is what he hangs his lyrics on, his vehicle, so why not? he deserves his place. Dylan too and Nick Drake. (it's the same argument given as to why Ringo Starr is repeatedly left off any drumming polls; true, he was terrible at fills, couldn't even do them, nothing flashy, no complexity, but boy oh boy...can you imagine The Beatles without him? it was because you never gave a thought to the drums that made him so perfect. it was to fuel the tune. absolutely perfect).
safe to say, i think most of us could've guessed who would be there; (although looking back at the 2003 poll, they were some heartening inclusions, completely missing from this time around though - Greg Ginn, Kevin Shields, Bert Jansch, Leigh Stephens, D. Boon, Zoot Horn Rollo etc.).
personally i'm disappointed that Zoot Horn Rollo (Captain Beefheart) isn't there. also, Davy Graham is a shocking omission, Robbie Basho, Sonny Sharrock (good call whoever mentioned that earlier), John Martyn...
knowing that the Dead encompassed all the best that music can provide. an unbelievable listening experience that incorporated sweet country, greasy blues, jazz-like dexterity, swing, willful and glorious abstraction, rippling psychedelia and bluegrass harmony, i would offer these guitarists for people to check out.
Grant Green (he really should've been there; those Blue Note albums are beautiful), Davy Graham (astonishing folk, blues and Indian raga excursions), Snakefinger (art-pop player for The Residents), Marc Ribot (again, another no-show; one listen to the Tom Waits albums "Swordfishtrombone" and "Rain Dogs" will make a fan for life as well as his playing with John Zorn and many others), Tisziji Muñoz (incredible acid-free-jazz-fire music!), Fred Frith (avant garde experimenter, composer and collaborator with many artists), Larry Lalonde (from Primus. always overlooked; humble, self deprecating, with an amazing approach to texture - huge Jerry fan too), Haino Keiji (japanese acid folk/avant garde shaman), Derek Bailey (improvisor par excellence), Django Reinhardt, Clarence Gatemouth Brown, Son House, Steve Hillage (psychedelic shimmer from bands Gong & System 7), Buzz Osbourne (Melvins. always inventive), artists using the guitar as a sound source such as Oren Ambarchi, Rafael Toral and Christian Fennesz, Pete Cosey (check him out with Miles Davis), Lee Ranaldo (from Sonic Youth - always overlooked in favour of Thurston Moore, but Lee's playing is by far more interesting - another big Jerry fan too; check out his Creedence like runs on the albums "Washing Machine" & "A Thousand Leaves"), Taku Sugimoto (free improvisor and major player on the Japanese Onkyo scene - incorporates long passages of silence, almost sonic calligraphy), Michael Rother (from bands like Neu!, Cluster, Harmonia, Kraftwerk etc. - incredible texture), Michiro Kurihara (from Acid folk collective Ghost; i really can't recommend this band enough; his idol is John Cippoloina and his playing reflects that LSD soaked metallic spike. they incorporate traditional Japanese folk instruments with psychedelia, acid rock, and temple-like atmospheric improvisation) and......
all of the players in the infamous Wrecking Crew; they who graced so many recordings that changed the world and made us smile - Glen Campbell, Barney Kessel, Tommy Tedesco, Al Casey, Billy Strange, Howard Roberts, Jerry Cole and many more.
i think a lot of people here would find some of these guys interesting, if nothing else.
all have sonic links to what incorporated influences and the music of the Grateful Dead; exploratory, gentle picking, gutbucket blues, improvisation, abstraction, lithe swing, sweet lyricism, you name it.
but, as a lot of people have already pointed out, you too Blair; this is just another example of the bias, misinformation and clueless-ness towards the Grateful Dead. but hey, they're missing out (unless of course the Dead got trendy and hip in the future and then you can bet they'll be championing them and claiming kudos, desperate to make a profit off people they once ignored).
as you say, Phil won't make bass polls; Billy and Mickey drum polls; Keith and Brent keyboard polls (and neither would the sublime playing of Garth Hudson either).
but, they were some good ones on that list - Stephen Stills (incredibly underrated), Derek Trucks, Frank Zappa, Robert Fripp, Hubert Sumlin, Robert Johnson, Henry Vestine to name but a few. oh, and some guy called Jerry.
personally, i've never heard of him.....
This conversation is recalling many great players whom I haven't thought about in a long time-I've got to do some more listening as time permits. I agree with many others here that any evaluation of Jerry requires the consideration of many facets of playing. Regardless of who evaluates-there seems always to be emphasis on the popular reference point-who sold more records, who got the most radio play, who had the one catchiest riff, who was politically correct for the mainstream media, who is now "cool", etc. The Dead and Jerry were ignored, dissed , barely tolerated for years. They were dismissed as burned-out hippies playing to incoherent stoners for the longest time. Of course, this cultural ignorance and prejudice has its toll and most will think of only the usuals in any poll-unfortunately this feeds on itself-polls begat polls, if you know what I mean. I'm sure Jerry is laughing down on all of this. I will always proclaim my strong preference for Jerry and the Dead-those who will be receptive to having their eyes opened will open their eyes-those who won't-won't. Its as simple as that. Twas ever thus.
Where would Jerry come if the question were about proven generosity to other musicians, and the guitarist's fan base/community? If the debate were not just about talent with the guitar, but with life itself? Fame nearly always accentuates mean-ness and creates spats and splits within groups, ego games. We never got anything of that with Jerry. Jerry use words like 'gestalt' with good intent, gestalt is where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 'Consensus reality' was the name of production company for some of his music. Consensus reality is something that leaves a good taste behind it.......
He just can’t get no respect…
i hate the rolling stone polls - from best bands, to songwriters, to songs, to individual musicians, as they're all a typical rundown of the usual suspects that everyone brings into the argument, especially about "classic rock." The top ones are guaranteed to be a mix of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, maybe even Keith Richards, and Duane Allman is always in there, and highly praised for his improvisational skills. For example, I believe Duane was number two in the 2003 poll and while Jerry was # 13, if i recall correctly, they had Kurt Cobain as #12. i am of the nirvana generation and i am a huge fan of their music, but to list Kurt Cobain as a better guitarist then Jerry is a joke. That being said, the magazine still treats Jerry, and the band, with more respect then any "classic rock" radio station here in New York does.
I had “who’s the best guitarist to you” conversation with friends over drinks at a bar just a few weeks ago, and what drives me nuts is how some people seem shocked that you would want to include Jerry Garcia in this conversation at all. I make all the same arguments as you Blair, and apparently as many other readers of this blog make – that he’s a master, or at least quite adept at multiple styles of music - from rock to folk to blues and jazz and bluegrass and traditionals - and he’s a master of improvisation in all of those styles, and also while not a master, then at the very least quite adept at the banjo and steel pedal guitar. I also argue that the fact that Jerry’s magic was not contained to a studio with chances for multiple takes and overdubs, but that his magic and true talents were exhibited while performing live onstage in front of an audience especially when improvising, is the final selling point for me as Jerry being the best. It also can’t be ignored that Jerry’s improvisation wasn’t the “type 1 jamming,” where the guitarist “rocks out” on an extended solo, which he could do (see “sugar magnolia,” maybe a “deal”), but more that he thrived in the “type 2 jamming,” or the total group improvisation of say “bird song,” or “dark star,” which requires listening and reacting to what the others are doing, you know active participation in taking the song and extending it to be the music of the moment. He’s not just playing a song that was perfected in a studio which was meant to create a mood, he’s playing these “same old songs” in a way that reflects the mood. To some people that just means nothing though, responding with dismissive statements as “it’s just too different, it doesn’t compare.”
To those who argue that he’s not as good as Jimi or Eric Clapton, I’d say I believe there are countless Dead shows from ’67-’70 that show he is just as good, if not better then Hendrix, and anything Clapton was doing with Cream at the time.
I also think Jerry’s as note perfect as a guitarist can get, especially through the first twelve years. I’ve heard few guitarists that walk up and down the fret board with as much ease as Jerry does, and I love that in the videos he rarely looks down at his guitar while playing but seems to prefer to watch the band as they’re playing. Tell the people at RS and classic rock stations to check out “the eleven,” or any of the ’73-’74 “eyes of the worlds,” and “WRS,” maybe a “Cumberland Blues” from ’72, possibly a spring ’77 “morning dew.”
Anyway, I could go on, but I think I’ve kissed Jerry’s butt enough for one day – I swear, I’m just doing it to makes sure he gets representation in the argument. I don’t want jerry to be everyone favorite, or expect everyone to appreciate his music like I do, I just want people to not look at me like I have three heads when I throw his name in the hat of best ever.
Also, I think the “proof is in the pudding” for us deadheads in this argument, in that if you can put on the right shows for the right people you’ll be able to get many to at least understand where you’re coming from. However none of those people work at RS, or Clear-Channel owned classic rock radio stations.
I just think "Smoke on the Water" is over-rated and overplayed. I don't know much of his other stuff.
However, I've heard enough AC/DC and Guns n' Roses to know that neither Slash nor Angus belongs on this list. I mean, has anyone ever seen Slash actually play the guitar? My theory is they have a cassette player up there with a pre-recorded solo and it's some roadie's job to know when to hit 'play.' That's how authentic his solos sound.
I get that they think they're emphasizing players (in general) who did something original with the guitar (again, how does Slash fit this criteria?), but there is a difference between entertainment and deliberate, nuanced creative expression.
I guess that's why Jerry gets the snub. Somewhere Jerry said (I paraphrase loosely) that he had to remind himself sometimes that the guitar isn't the end, it's just the means for the music, that the music is the important thing. He was by all accounts a witty, analytical, and thoughtful person, and obviously a creative genius, and (sadly for us) that doesn't have the cache that a schoolboy outfit/phalllic guitar thrashing combo does in popular culture.
that's why i love these discussions (thanks blair). it's so personal. as for page and lifeson, they don't really do it for me. i was never into zep, but lord knows i've heard plenty. (zep to me is jon bonham and thats all) as for rush, i like them more, but my interest ended after farewell to kings. some earlier post said the 'deep purple guy' sucked. see, there you go, i LOVE ritchie blackmore! he'd be on my personal top 10 (if we stayed with rock) i still put that classic mach IV deep purple on (but live over studio, where have we heard that before???). i would venture to say that very few deadheads would agree with me here, but thats cool. but what about the other genre's? pat metheny, sure, what about joe pass? herb ellis and the other great guitars...barney kessell and charlie byrd? (one of the coolest guitar shows i ever saw was the great guitars. 3 guys on stage, no one else, all instrumentals, trading licks. so cool!!! i'll never forget their version of the flintstones!!!) i know fahey made it, but like others have said, where's kottke? i love norman blake over tony rice. huge bromberg fan. just saw him with jorma. personally, i like david's guitar playing more. john hurt, doc watson... gosh, it just doesn't end, does it???
but i still know who MY #1 is... JER !!!
What can one expect from the Rolling Stone? The list is the 100 POP guitarists of all time. So they got it wrong. Jerry should ranked at 100.