Too much bashing each other. What drew me toward the Grateful Dead was, of course, the incredible psychedelic music and visions as well as the upbeat and positive crowds.

Don't jugde eachother.........They love eachother!

The Dr.

johnman wrote:

... one of the things i always loved about a dead show, you could leave yer crap outside and enjoy the music, with other people who left their crap outside so they could enjoy the music, knowing we were all different, and relishing that fact.

Exactly! This is precisely what I've been saying.
Rusty88, From what you're telling me, you sound more like a libertarian on both the abortion question and on capital punishment. I too am libertarian on abortion: yes, I do believe it is murder, but stopping it legislatively is imposible - women will demand it no matter what, so leave it in the hands of medical parcticioners, rather than back-alley butchers. Maybe we aren't so dissimilar after all.

Back in the late sixties and early seventies, I was a liberal. A real Freak, a hippie. As far as I'm concerned I'm still a hippie. As a Canadian, our politics ran different than yours so there will be systemic differences in our politics. In my opinion, my values haven't changed. In fact, I was probably libertarian during those years. Like Winston Churchill said, "If you're not a liberal at 18, you have no heart, if you're not a conservative by age 30, you have no head."
Fits me to a "T".

All I have to say is this....where would you rather live ... Socialist Sweden or facist Germany/Italy in the 30's ? nuf said.

No system is perfect but no one accuses the Swede's of not being envrionmentally aware, pro-family, pro education. Even pro-business. They are just taxed to heavily for my liking.

Facist Spain enjoyed secret police. Mass killings. You know ... great shit like that.

Think before you speak.

Today, Sweden isn't socialist, and never was. It was and is still considered "Social Democratic". There are some pure "socialist" societies, but they are all despotisms, or 3rd World hell-holes, like Zimbabwe. There are others, which escape my memory right now. Most of those countries you consider "socialist" are just social democratic countries. A touch of socialism here and there but mostly true democracies and mostly free-market.

That continuum from fascism to communism resembles a circle, with a small gap. Either side of that gap is communism on one side with fascism on the other. The gap is miniscule.

What Would Jerry Do?

1.laugh
2.cry
3.both
4.neither

i'll take a chili dog with the works please