August 27 - September 2, 2007
I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.
Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.
Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.
See you next week,
This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.
Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.
One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.
Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.
Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.
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Any of you that wants to can capture any of these streams on your hard drive if you can figure it out...so maybe you have to work at it a little harder, and maybe it must be captured in "real time"...but it is still a pleasure to have some of these unheralded nuggets...I hope I haven't blown it for everyone by saying how easy it is to convert these to wav or mp3 on your own...figure it out...
Thanks, David and the GD for this music!
"Those who refuse military service are the pioneers of a warless world."
"...i got 3 from the vault AT THE LOCAL LIBRARY."
Good choice. This one was not worth the money, IMHO.
I'm sorry, but you do not call a section the "taper's section" and not expect people to "tape" a few nuggets. This is nothing but Monday morning quarterback on the part of Rhino. and the blame, as well, should rest squarely on the shoulders of Rhino. Notice there is no longer a note at the end of the review asking for song requests for next week. I find that interesting.
sorta like being referred to a "you people".
I have not had the patience to read through all the postings this week. and it took a couple of days for me to decide that as a "certain fan", I was offended. It hurts a little.
.. just a little bit...
rambling random thoughts...
hmmm...The first part of that letter almost sounds like it's a letter directed to Rhino - not to us. It's almost reads like the folks at dead.net got busted for posting .mp3s and are trying to say they didn't know about it. Downloading? Really? We had no idea! We never implied that it was a download site. We didn't know they could do that! We'll fix that right away!
If the letter really was written for us - it's a bit insulting. We're not fools.
Starbucks...get over it. Like it or not Starbucks is a viable venue for selling cds these days. Rhino is marketing a product and trying to attract new customers. I certainly don't blame them for that. At least it's not a Wal-Mart-only exclusive cd.
In general I actually like what Rhino has been doing (other than this). I love what they did with the reissues of The Cure, Ramones, X and, yes, even the GD studio catalog. My bet is that they're just treating us the way they'd treat any other fanbase. If nothing else, they need to learn that we're a different beast. We can be mindlessly dedicated, but we can also be incredibly vocal when we feel something isn't right.
Lets see...Are people really willing to put out money to download a handful of .mp3's every week? I doubt it. Maybe a few of you, but it seems to me that once you start charging money, the rules and attitudes change. I'll bet downloads drop 90%+ if they start charging even $5/month. I'm sure some people will pay it. I'll just bet most won't. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, or that we're "entitled" to anything. That's just my guess on how things will go.
I loved the mp3s. I didn't download them all - just a handful of the ones I thought would be interesting. Some I kept. Some I didn't. I was never disappointed though. It was enough to keep me coming back every week . I listened at the gym, in the car, by the pool....rarely while sitting at my computer at home. As for the streaming, I simply can't do it at work. It's not allowed. I tried it from home and it didn't work on my Linux box anyway. Even if it worked, after sitting at a computer all day the last thing I want to do is sit at my home computer all night, just so I can listen to some music. The hacks/software mentioned to download the streams? Too much time and effort when I can go elsewhere, click a few times and have some new music. It's just not going to happen, and I imagine that's the case for most people. We'll just go elsewhere.
David+David aren't to blame for any of this. If anything, I give DG props for stepping into the middle of this mess, knowing he'd take the heat for something he's not really responsible for. I'm sure DL's hands are tied and he can only say/do certain things. That's the way the real world works sometimes. Don't kill the messengers.
Enough hinting at "things to come" from Rhino. Bring it. The '76 release was interesting. the '71 release was tepid, at best. Enough promises. Let's go. I can't buy it if you don't release it.
Enough. I'll stop.
I posted a comment yesterday morning, at ended up on page 5 of the comment board. In the afternoon I checked,,,,,,,,,,Hmmmmmmmmmm where is it??
I checked EVERY comment today.....ITS GONE, BEEN REMOVED!!
It went something like this:
David knew exactly knew what he was doing, thats why he was posting so many songs.
Then someone from management was looking over his shoulder
"Hmmmmmmmmmm Mp3's you cant do that!!"
Hope you did not get in any trouble by posting mp3's David.
Thanks for getting away with it this long.
As for streaming, never liked, never will.
I would be willing to pay a FEW bucks for a high quality show of my choice.
So just post all the shows and have us pay for the ones we want............That is the plan, right??
Thanks again David for getting away with it this long
Now lets see if this comment go's away.
Eurasia has ALWAYS been at war with Oceania.
The Tapers Section is for streaming purposes only. The Tapers Section has ALWAYS been for streaming purposes only.
I am more disappointed with the reason given by David as with the actual disappearance of the mp3s. It takes a lot of gall to suggest that we "certain fans" are somehow at fault for "the situation that developed." I was so pleased at the (apparently accidental) generosity by the Dead's organization in putting up these mp3s! I even went and bought an ipod in order to best appreciate this (unintentional) kindness.
The Dead and Rhino have all the right in the world to restrict soundboards, in my opinion. But this continued insulting of the fan base is uncalled for, and I think we are all owed an apology. (Maybe they can get Michael Vick to script it for them.) I'm reminded of Bobby's "what they are doing is stealing" quote during the Archive bruhaha.
Maybe I will curtail my practice of buying nearly all of the commercial releases. This stinks.
After years of not purchasing anything Dead related or really listening to that much Dead, this new site resulted in me listening to much more. I also purchased the Cow Palace CD.
I download a few songs to my IPOD every monday and listened on my runs every Tuesday and Thursday.
I have PUH-LENTY of Dead music on my harddrive that I could listen to, but I download from the site and 'stayed in the loop.' YES - I EVEN MADE A PURCHASE!
You have lost a customer. What focking business school did you imbeciles go to? (Not you Dave - I appreciate your work with respect)
Step back and consider the name you are using: "Taper's Section." It is reasonable to assume that Deadheads starved for music for their machines would be enticed to want to be able to record this music. Not all of us can listen when we want, or streaming from a computer. There can only be one reason you are withholding the ability to tape, and it is commercial interests, i.e., is there a way you can squeeze us or some advertisers for cash.