Grateful Dead

August 27 - September 2, 2007

Tapers Section By David Lemieux

I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

Recently, I and others that work on became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

See you next week,

This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

David Lemieux
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highvibe's picture
Joined: Jul 26 2007
For what it is worth......

I am simply writing here to echo the sentiment of others in hopes that someone who may be making decisions about this site and the future of the music of the Dead may read this.

Indeed, since this site was born and the mp3's became available, my appetite was renewed, my energy invigorated, and a sense of community re-awakened. Having these tasty nuggets of music from David downloaded to my iTunes, led to me spending more money on Dead products in the last year than I have since Jerry died. Besides that, because I was coming to the site enjoying the music, I wound up putting up posts, sharing photos, looking at old set lists again, remembering shows with others, etc.... I was feeling the energy being re-born!!!

As someone who was once a retailer, I agree that what was created here was what seemed like a genuine acknowledgment of the community as well as a wonderfully conceived marketing plan to awaken our interest and invigorate the community. Whether planned as such or not, it "was" brilliant indeed as it was working for me and many others and any good marketing mind should recognize this.

The feeling that is left now is one of the veil being pulled on the wizard behind the curtain. It is kind of like waking up from a dream. Feeling like I was in this blissful daze of remembering the good times, remembering why I spent 10 years of my life traveling and seeing shows and spending so much money on this magical entity known as the Grateful Dead - and now feeling like - oh that is over or is it? Is what was being born here a new road of community and avenue to re-discover the music again - or is this all simply for the profits of some big corporation that does not understand who I am and why I would come here in the first place?

Not sure of this answer and I believe how Rhino and the GD respond to what is happening here will for sure shape that for me and many others.

Hope y'all catch on before hearts are broken beyond repair. I for one would love to see a vibrant happy community again that continues to grow, expand, and gives us the space to continue to share pictures, memories, and, of course, music!

Waiting for a miracle,

Brother A

ps Coming from a conflict resolution background, and knowing how intelligent but yet emotional and sensitive dead fans are, I believe the "client" needs to hear and apology before they can hear anything else. Trying to offer a "treat" after a "slap" does not always win back the trust and affection of the other party. It sometimes takes heartfelt sincerity and communication.

Jack Straw's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007
What about the "real" Grateful Dead

Are they involved with this site on any level? I mean Bobby, Phil, Mickey...Billy, or Kid, Sue, Eileen...anybody still around or is this a facade, the logo is the same but what about the people....did they all get off the bus?

I feel sometimes like a kindergartener who rides the same bus every day and trusts the local bus driver and when suddenly one day it pulls up the door opens and there is a stranger behind the wheel...

dead tanuki's picture
Joined: Aug 27 2007
The 17 stages of heartbreak

richthephotog said:

"Regarding those 17 stages of heartbreak - I'm at one of the last ones {I think} - It's called acceptance."

The "17 stages of heartbreak" was in an old Matt Groening Life in Hell comic strip. And the last stage was: "ready for further punishment."

I think that about sums it up.

Joined: Jun 8 2007
Very interesting

Here's a very interesting article about how "members of the organised music cartel, are slowly grasping the message that DRM (Digital Restrictions Management) consumer control isn’t only dumb, it’s bad for business."

Apparently the news hasn't hit Rhino yet!

Joined: Aug 31 2007
Why?? Why did the tapers

Why?? Why did the tapers section downloads have to stop? Did corporate greed take over everything we felt dearly to. I know everyone wants have a cash flow in but this is ridiculous when you can go archive, Bt-etree and numerous other sites for music. This wasn't whole shows but nuggets -- but wait some corporate Rhino person pitched some lame presentation that showed giant $ graphics that you can make all this money based on the download traffic for tapers section.

Thank you for selling out and let alone not let the Tapers section program be what it was meant to be!!!!!!! (Not against you D.L. just these corporate greedy guys marketing some charts to pinch every penny possible out of us - BTW thanks for the nuggets)

BTW I will never support this Rhino effort if this is the way all decisions are going to be made based on increasing cash flows in at the expense of the fans.

It's another Archive Part II. Hopefully the fans will be heard and bring tapers section back!

I have two words for Rhino and they AREN'T Happy Birthday!
Go Archive and other great sites. The music never stopped.

Anomalator's picture
Joined: Jun 7 2007
Answers, please!

First off, I'd just like to say thank you David for all the very enjoyable Taper's Section postings since last November. I've read every one of these informative jems, and it was always the highlight of my Mondays. But I must confess, I too am one of those "certain fans" that downoaded all the mp3's in the TS postings. I found the sound quality to be quite decent, and the convenience was very much appreciated.

Having said that, I would like to respectfuly ask a few questions.
1. What's so wrong about offering mp3 downloads in the Taper's Section?
I've been reading the postings in this forum for the past few weeks in which some fans are just fine with change to streaming (when it works), and others are outright pissed. But I have yet to read and explanation of WHY the mp3 downloads were a problem at all. Did Rhino somehow feel they were losing revenue? Or potential revenue even? I can assure you that they were not missing out on any revenue from me, and probably many others as well. I've purchased hundreds of dollars worth of GD CD's, videos, and downloads, and I will continue to do so. The downloadable mp3's didn't discourage me in any way about wanting to buy more GD mercandise. If anything, it made me want to buy MORE. Also, I do not feel that I am somehow entitled to the Grateful Dead's music just because I am a long time fan, but it sure was a nice gesture of kindness to have those fresh mp3's every Monday. So why the change of heart?

2. Have we reached the point with the Grateful Dead's music that none of it should be had for free?
I realize and respect the fact that the Dead's music is their property and they have every right to do with it what they please. But some of the changes that have taken place in regards to access of the music over the past couple of years seem very alien to what the whole Dead community is, or at least was. Was really that much of a threat to the income of GDM? And if so, what's next? Are the bit torrent downloaders next on the hit list? I've also noticed that GDlive is now gone, which, in all honesty, may or may not be the fault of GD/Rhino. But it does make me wonder. And was it really that much of a problem that people downloaded the mp3's from the Taper's Section? What did you think poeple were going to do with these except just enjoy them?

3. And finally, why are Deadheads getting the silent treatment from Rhino?
I understand that selling the Vault was a major deal, and I'm sure it's a big job getting things in order, but there has been absolutely no word from Rhino about any future developments or releases of GD material. Why? What purpose does it serve to give the cold shoulder to the most loyal fanbase in the history of music? Does Rhino think this is going to build anticipation? Do they care at all about what we think? It's very confusing, and a bit alienating to Deadheads. How about wetting our appetites with some info, a tease, or something to get us excited about the GD's future with Rhino. A little communication from Rhino would go a long way towards fostering goodwill and making Deadheads feel better about this whole undertaking.

I will always be a deadicated fan of the Grateful Dead, and nothing is ever going to change that, but there does seem to be a lot of changes happening in regards to how the Dead's music is being handled without any reason being given as to why. I know that no one in the GD/Rhino management owes us an explanation, but it sure would be nice if we were given one, if for no other reason then to keep things open and positive. Otherwise the result is a flood of harsh criticism and angry comments like what we've seen over the past few weeks. And that doesn't do anybody any good. The whole GD scene works as a symbiotic relationship, one that's been going strong for over 40 years now. I sure would like to see it stay a healthy one.

Thanks again David.

Steve-O's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007

Blah Blah Blah, Yadiyadiyadi. Is this over yet, or should I stay tuned till next week and hear this bull all over again? Some are a little entertaining though. I hope that I spelled everything ok.

Joined: Aug 31 2007

Mac users will see that these "streams" will download as Quicktime movies which can still be used in iTunes and that whole family. They download quicker than the old mp3 format. From someone who remembers preNapster live archives and a few GD live sites that were around, this is the last schnizzle of the GD legacy and the Profound Wise Ones have limited the music to a trickle. If anyone really wanted this vast storehouse-they have it - as when Jerry + Co. were active all this was spread around. Only the format has changed (some).

The one great thing Rhino has produced was the GD movie soundtrack which was sonically superior to ANYTHING ever released much less a truncated mp3. The teats have run dry-Use yer heads!

GrayFolded's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007
Makes perfect sense now....

1-Rhino sunk all their money into a DYING area of media. Satelite Radio has lost MILLIONS of dollars over the last 2 years. CARS ARE BEING BULIT WITH MP3 JACKS IN THEM!!! NO ONE WANTS TO PAY TO LISTEN TO RADIO!!!! Another STUPID move by Rhino....

2-They are more concearned with creating a new fan base for the Grateful Dead. HARDCORE FANS DON'T BUY DP'S ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEM ALL, THEY WANT NEW $$$

Dead to the Core

Joined: Aug 7 2007

Wow...this stinks. I discovered this site and the taper section about a month ago. Yes, I was downloading them...hey, they were MP3s...thats what they are for, right???

I hadn't listened to the dead much for several years...I have my share of DPs and the Vaults but they were occasional. Suddenly I'm getting these handpicked nuggets and find myself listening to them all day at work on the iPod.

But this has been going on since November? Crikey! I've missed a lot. Does anyone have these hosted anywhere or would be willing to burn them on a CD? Email me at greid at if you can help me out.


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