Grateful Dead

August 27 - September 2, 2007

Tapers Section By David Lemieux

I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

Recently, I and others that work on became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

See you next week,

This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

David Lemieux
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DrkStr's picture
Joined: Jun 6 2007
When you say nothing at all

My thought was there's so much music in the Vault we could never hear it all. After hearing say 2 tunes from an 80's show. Then sell the whole show... The 2 tunes could be used as samples... In 74' they sent me 45's one of the songs was Turn On The Bright lights, Another selection was from from Hunter..
I' m lucky ,I have a band that I play in (ODYSSEY). So I spend most of my time performing, Writing, Rehearsing,and Hangin with my friends...
If you can, watch the interview with Jerry from Entertainment Tonight in vegas, it's on YOUTUBE. I'll let jerry speak for us, about the kind of people we are...
suffice to say, No explanation about the switch would have been better then the one offered
There was a time when the GD was my whole world
Thankfully not anymore

Joined: Jun 14 2007
I know that Jerry loved his

I know that Jerry loved his BMW's and the band made alot of money ,,but one of the things that made The Grateful Dead so special was that they didnt try to bleed every possible nickel ot of their fans.....
I do hope Rhino does have something special planned

Joined: Jun 25 2007

That's interesting... none of the streams work this week. When I investigate further (i.e.: reveal the source URL's for the streams in order to play them on my WinMedia Player), I get the following:

Sorry, the content you have requested could not be found or has been intentionally disabled by the content owner. Please contact the content owner if you have any further questions about this content.

404 File Not Found
Copyright ©2006 Akamai Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Sigh.... It just never ends, does it?

Oh, and David, that "excuse" about "streaming" mp3's.... puh-leeze! There are ways of embedding mp3's so that they stream only, for casual listening. For downloading, any mp3 can be accessed for downloading, through various standard mouse techniques. All mp3's are designed for downloading, not streaming (though as I said, it can be done).

Rhino is playing you, buddy.

Joined: Jun 18 2007
What a bunch of hooey

That's quite possibly the most ridiculous explanation I have ever heard. You didn't think people would download the mp3s and just realized they were doing so after almost a year? That doesn't even pass the laugh test. You folks don't think much of us, do you?

Joined: Jun 16 2007


I think i´m NOT gonna buy anything from Rhino .

Mp3´s were very cool , streaming sucks , i´m sorry Mr.Lemieux that´s the truth , thank you
for the coments on all previous downloads , i enjoyed them .


Joined: Aug 22 2007

David/Rhino: "Hey Deadheads. It's raining."
Deadheads: "No. That's you peeing on our legs."

jjjbaggins's picture
Joined: Jul 16 2007
Thank you David!

After re-reading the comments, I agree that David has probably signed his name to something the lawyers wrote up. I do not believe that he was ignorant to our downloading addictions, and in fact I think he carefully tried to give us as many pieces of his favorite shows as he thought he could get away with without attracting attention. He understands the thousands upon thousands of dollars that I, for one, have spent on tickets and merchandise. Not anymore, sorry.

dead tanuki's picture
Joined: Aug 27 2007
The 17 stages of heartbreak

I'm in the third stage of my reaction to David's explanation for the switch from mp3s to streaming whatevers.

First stage: laughter. Like everybody else, I was expecting some kind of an explanation, but nothing as ludicrous as this. As other posters have noted, downloading is what you do with mp3s. I didn't even know you could listen to an mp3 without downloading it. If you post these things in mp3 format, you simply have to expect that people are going to download them--I can't believe that wasn't the original intent, and to suggest otherwise strikes me as just silly.

Second stage: commiseration. One of the posters in last week's Taper's Section forum speculated that the switch may have been the result of a threat of legal action from the copyright holder of one of the many covers the band played. I was slow to believe that could have been the case (it seemed much more likely to me that this was a decision dictated by Rhino's accounting department), but now I'm not so sure. This week's explanation sounds an awful lot to me like an attempt to create plausible deniability. "We never intended for people to download these, and as soon as we realized they were downloading them, we took them off--so don't sue us." If that's the case, then I feel sorry for David for having to put his name to what others elsewhere have called (and I agree with them) a "disingenuous" statement. (Note to self: am I blowing the plausible deniability by writing this? Hmm. Well, see stage no. 3 below.)

Third stage: not exactly anger, but maybe a state of miffedness. As Little Ben Clock noted, this explanation essentially blames a few bad fans for ruining things--like somebody peed in the pool. But, again, how are you supposed to play an mp3 without downloading it? There may be a way, and maybe some people even know about it--I'm hardly an expert at computers--but then neither are most of us that use the site, I think--anyway, to judge from the comments so far, I'd say that most of us who actually listened to the Taper's Section did it by downloading. It wasn't "certain fans," as the statement goes--it was most of us. And how were we supposed to know we weren't supposed to download them? No statement was ever made to that effect. On the contrary, I think we all, quite reasonably, assumed that since they were posted as mp3s, we were being invited to download them. By pointing this out, am I weakening the plausible deniability? I'm not sure I care, because I don't like being blamed for this. Taking the mp3s away with only a perfunctory notice and no immediate explanation was antisocial enough, but actually blaming this on the fans seems downright hostile. And (as has been pointed out over and over again) this attitude can't be good for business. I've bought at least 90% of the Dead's official releases so far, studio, live, CD, download, whatever--do you really want to drive people like me away? Blaming us for doing what we didn't know we weren't supposed to do is a good way to do it.

Anyway, I more or less believe that David wrote this under some sort of coercion (whether from a threatened lawsuit or just outraged accountants), so I still don't blame him. And in fact I've disagreed (silently) with the vitriol that's been on display from some posters this last week: losing the mp3s was a disappointment, but there was no call to get nasty toward David Gans, GDP, or even Rhino. As fans we weren't being exactly mistreated...but blaming us for this is a different story. That, I don't like.

Joined: Aug 27 2007
that's a crock

intended for streaming only? as has been said here a million times - whatever. if that was truly the case you guys are clueless. i say the in the nicest way possible knowing you really aren't. as if people wouldn't download the stuff.

i only noticed the taper's section a month ago and i have to that say that i was completely taken back when i saw that files were sitting there to be download. what a brilliant way to generate interest in future releases. i'm not sure that it says much about they way the Grateful Dead's ship is being steered when i was so surprised by the apparent generosity.

oh well. not to worry - i will still continue to sink my money into your products.

anyway, anyone having problem with the QuickTime streams on Windows it seems that you need version 7 and therefore must be running XP or Vista. I tried versions 4 through 6.5 on Windows Me with no success. Version 7 on XP works just fine.

Olompali's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
Me too!

I thought these were bones to download and save.
I dug it and bragged about it to my Dylan/Zep/Who/Zappa/Stones freak friends.


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