Grateful Dead

August 27 - September 2, 2007

Tapers Section By David Lemieux

I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

See you next week,
David

This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

David Lemieux
vault [at] dead.net

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Downloading does not equal trading

It sounds like the real concern at headquarters was that people were trading the files they downloaded, which is a big sign of distrust. There's trust between traders that lineage is honest, and I wasn't trading these files. I was burning CD's to go into my backyard, crank the tunes, and play in the sprinkler with my son on a summer day. I won't stay inside glued to my computer to listen to a song. In fact, I can't stream at home because of virus protection, and I can't stream at work because of firewalls. Furthermore, I bought 12-31-76 because the '76 material that David provided made me revisit a year that I had overlooked. If this site had been stream only I would not have listened, and probably not have bought that release. Ditto for the '71 release.

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Stream is a bad dream

So this was like such a fun happy little Monday mornin' dream of just hittin that 'DownThemAll' firefox addon deal and loadin these nuggets on the iPod for the road, work and all that. Plus yakin about them with all the old show buddies and such.

Now it is stinky with nasty posts and such and like you sortof sayin like we some sort of criminalities or somethin.

Dang and here I am 15 minutes after clickin your 'stream' icon of Mornin Dew so I could get some goodness and am still lookin at a blank flippin black box of nothin in Forefox and IE too. And yes I got all those new-fangled plugins and such.

THE STREAM DON'T EVEN Flippin WORK!!

Please unstinkify this whole deal and just lay those mp3s back on us. We will always be layin loads of cash on the straights for good stuff they put out officially as well.

GottaPokeAround (now more than ever for the goodness)

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hmmm...

The difference between downloading and streaming was made very clear to this community when the Internet Archive was obligated to remove soundboard downloads (and allowed to continue streaming) a year or so ago.

Recalling that distinction (not to mention the huge mess that ensued) would have been beneficial when planning for and implementing the Taper's Section.

Oh well.

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It's all about the "commitment"

In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged

I guess that depends upon your definition of "unchanged" David.

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Downloads

David - all you have to do is right click on the link, and that tells you whether you can save it to your hard drive. Deadheads have been doing that since the web appeared! So to assume we would only stream downloadable mp3s is, shall I say, disingenous in the extreme!

And they are mp3s. Degraded by definition. Nice to have, but not the real thing. Indeed, when downloaded, they may well sell us a new release - assuming that is we haven't already got it by trading, download ot torrent?

What this says to me is that you guys - and Rhino - are behind the times. And to foist that on us unannounced is also not the best way to signal such a change. People are pretty anti-Rhino now; me? Of two minds, but Rhino's postal charges to the UK are so high that it means any purchase will attract import duty, making purchases from Rhino out of reach. And I have over the years bought near as dammit all the Dead's official releases, from dead.net, as well as having c1000 shows traded and downloaded. No more. I'll buy them locally, and skip the bonus stuff. Too bad, but I can't afford the costs any more of buying through dead.net.

JP
Your explanation understood. Doesn't make matters better though!

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New Taper Section

WHY,WHY,WHY would you give us music, and then take it away? Bob Wier once quoted that "What we provide for people is music, and whatever they want to do with it, they are certainly free to do so". Whatever happened to that??? Who cares what people do with the music? They are fans, and I thought that through the years thats what the Grateful Dead was about-The fans.
Give us the old Taper Section Back and act like you care about the fans. What would Jerry say about this???

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No Downloads

Totally lame ... the bus doesn't stop here anymore for me.

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thanks again

thanks one more time, david, for all your work. you're right that the tapers section provided me with a fresh interest in the Grateful Dead. and the controversy brought back some varied memories, too. i think playing ignorant about people downloading mp3's is probably what i would've done, too, it got us this far!!! (i knew i was getting away with something)
thanks, it was great while it lasted. make sure they don't forget that "cool" new stuff. strike while the iron is hot, and all. peace!!

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Bad business

Respectfully to all, this is plain and simple, a bad business decision. The taper's section reinvigorated a community. It did so by delivering interesting content weekly with even more interesting commentary by David L. The comments the last few weeks prove this out.

The tapers section was, in short, a wonderful product. One that spread by word of mouth, that got people excited about Monday's, and built a community that was effusive in its praise about this new type of product. Rhino/Dead.net achieved something few organizations could: loyalty, repeat visits, engagement, community, excitement. And to do so with content that was in some cases 40 years old! It's a marketer's dream. There were dozens of ways that they, as a business, could then delivery further services and products and make money. After all, they had the right ingredients sitting there waiting to eat (and buy) it up.

Instead, they have decided to give these loyal, engaged consumers an inferior product. After almost a year. It's 2007 and these fans are now delivered a "streaming" product? Makes no sense.

What's the result? Perhaps nothing, perhaps people will still buy whatever you release. However, I suggest the result may be something more profound, for Rhino/Dead.net as a company: a loss of trust, loss of engagement, loss of community. I surely as not the use case, but those are some of the things I am feeling right now, and they will affect now I react in the future to your offerings, if I stick around at all.

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Spinster Lemieux...

I don't think this is the type of "spinning" that was originally intended for US ALL... David, perhaps, you are trying out for a job in the next Presidential administration, eh? How doofus do we appear? You have of course done many wonderful things for us, but don't minimalize it with this Rhinoplastic jive. Admit what's what. Is this the season of WHAT NOW?
Peace~

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