Grateful Dead

September 3 - September 9, 2007

Tapers Section By David Lemieux

We have a tremendous variety of music for you this week, spanning almost 20 years of the Grateful Dead’s recorded history, and we hope you’ll find this week’s journey as enjoyable as we did while preparing it for you.

As we mentioned last week, we have a bit more music from the Family Dog in San Francisco, specifically the encore from 9/6/69, a nice Pigpen-led Midnight Hour, with plenty of good jamming in the background.

Our next chronological stop on this week’s trip is 9/9/72 at the Palladium in Hollywood (venue of the performance of one of the best-ever versions of Hard To Handle, in 1971). From this show in 1972, we have the second set jam of He’s Gone>Truckin’>The Other One, which features a reel flip that is just a fact of life in these 7” reel-to-reel tapes, which run at 7.5 ips, meaning the tape is changed every 47 or so minutes. It’s always fortunate when the cuts are located in acceptable places, like this, rather than the brutal cuts that often destroy the listening experience. This one really isn’t too bad.

At this point we jump forward a year to 9/7/73 at Nassau Coliseum, with a song that mightn’t be what people think of first when they think of 1973: Looks Like Rain. This is a really great rendition, and just sounds so darn good, we thought you’d enjoy it. And, for a dose of quintessential 1973 music, we have the first set closing song from the same show: Playing In The Band. I really can’t get enough of these 1973 Playing In The Bands, and this one certainly doesn’t disappoint.

Going forward to 1985, to 9/3/85 in Kansas City, we have the pre-Drums sequence featuring That’s It For The Other One>Eyes of the World>I Don’t Need Love. The “Cryptical” part of the sequence in 1985 never quite matched the energy or perfection of the 1969 versions, but the “Other One” portion of the song is very good, as is the Eyes and the rare Don’t Need Love. This is drawn from the Beta PCM digital masters.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of songs from London on 4/7/72, specifically Pigpen’s Chinatown Shuffle and a powerhouse Me and My Uncle.

As sometimes happens, we have no idea what we’ll have for you next week, but looking at what we have to select from, it’s bound be to be a nice selection of some excellent music. Let us know what you think by writing with questions, comments, suggestions or requests.

David Lemieux
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Joined: Jun 4 2007
The sense of entitlement in this group is crazy

Why? Why does anyone have to explain anything to any of you? Well, I've loved the band for years, well I buy a lot of recordings, well because it's what I feel is the right thing to do, well they took the recordings away from archive,... Get over all of it and get over yourselves. Guess what, it's there music, they can do whatever they want. Period. Instead of being thankful that there are resources like this to hear tasty gems, all you want to do is complain because it's not the way you want it to be. Welcome to this little thing called life, it's not fair all of the time.

What makes this worse, is you can still listen to all of these great songs, but once again, if it's not the exact way you want it, well then I'll just complain and resort to name calling. Of course we have to hear, this would not make Jerry happy. Well, how do you know, did you personally know him? Oh, wait you've read a few quotes from him that gave you a keen insight into his mind, so you know exactly what he would think. And of course, I have to read well Jerry said when we're done with it, it's theirs. Yeah he said that back in the early 70's, and I'm sure with the keen insight everyone has into Jerry's mind, they know exactly what he meant and that he never changed his mind.

Back to the point that it's still available, how hard is it to click on the song link, pick whether you want to use quicktime or windows media and listen to it? What's worse than that, is the I don't have time to listen to this streaming. Well, if it's important enough to you than you can make time, if not I guess you'll just have to move on.

We still have to listen to multiple complaints about going away. Listen, there are tons of sources to get copies of pretty much any Dead show that was taped. Not just audience copies, but great soundboard copies. In fact there are several sites that actually have projects where they make every show taped for a particular year available. The best part, it's all free, yes that's right, free. This is all at your fingertips, all it takes is for you to quit being so lazy, take a few minutes and go find it, it's out there. Not to mention that there are 60+ offically released live recordings. But wait, I want the Winterland '73 boxset, not 12/31/76 (which is a great release by the way). Once again, if you really want the 11/73 Winterland run, go find it. I've got all three shows, excellent soundboards, just takes a few minutes to go find the resources to get them. No other band or musician comes close to offering all of this music to listen to, yet look at all the complaining. It's this kind of lazy, complaining, sense of entitlement that gave the scene such a bad rap at the end.

With that said, David, thank you for all that you have done and all that you are doing. I am looking forward to your futrue selections for this feature and the future releases you guys are working on.

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Joined: May 26 2007
new forum topics...

are out there for both streams that don't work and the Starbucks release, which does happen to have a disc of all live material. (even for those of us in tiny studio apartments and driving beat to shit pick up trucks....)

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Joined: Jun 21 2007
The root of the problem

I've been thinking . . .

Why did Rhino acquire everything in the first place? I've been looking for old news articles on this, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

Should I assume that that the original GDP with the Dicks Picks and download series was /unprofitable/? If that was truly the case, then there are two possibilities: Either GDP was inefficiently managed, and could have continued to sell the same obscure concerts with only a minor restructuring...or, it could even be that selling obscure concerts to a small number of diehard fans can never be profitable. : (

I dearly hope it's the former. If it's the latter . . . well, then the fans might need to take things into their own hands if they want the Deadhead spirit to continue.

Joined: Aug 29 2007
Greatest > Sugaree 4/7/72 from last week

Thanks again David for these great nuggets from 4/7/72 - But last week's combination of Greatest Story > Sugaree only streams Greatest Story. I'll take what I can get, but it would sure be appreciated if Sugaree could be reposted, corrected...anything. Thanks again !!

Joined: Jun 4 2007
David L

Don't bitch at David, he's just doing his job. If you're gonna bitch, bitch at Rhino, I'm sure it's their call, not David's.

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Joined: Jun 15 2007

NOT even a mention of the loss of downloading capabilities
thats crazzzy

What a powerhouse playing in the band though
great great

nice job dave
Pittt heads?

I can tell your future
Look what's in your hand
But I can't stop for nothing
I'm just playing in the band

Joined: Jun 17 2007
Picture a bright blue ball...

For all those who are OK with the changes, get out of your McMansion, hop in your Hummer and cruise over to Starbucks and get your fix of corporate BS...real effective use of the vault to cobble together a greatest hits compilation for some soccer moms to sip their latte's by, cause I am sure there are no live tracks on there. Once the big Hollywood movie comes out about Garcia he will be the flavor of the month just like Ray Charles and Johnny Cash, too bad they garnered more popularity after they died. I don't like pop-culture, nor will I roll over take it, as long as I voice left I'll complain.

Joined: Jun 7 2007

Thanks for this week's great releases David. It's a shame fewer people can access it all now that the format has changed, but I know you're trying to bring out new music. I bet you have a list of stuff you want to release. I'm just hoping Rhino isn't dictating to you what it wants to sell - God help us if you lose control over what comes out of the vault.

Does anyone know if the new Sirius radio thing will be available in Australia? I'm guessing no. I could read the pages and pages of fine print but I have other things I'd rather do.

I really don't get the point of any Dead product (e.g. unreleased shows) being sold anywhere other than on Surely it makes sense for the official website to sell new shows?

I think they may have missed the boat as far as streaming radio goes anyway. Dead Heads would rather the shows were sold as downloads so they can actually listen to them when they feel like (as music should always be), make audio CDs out of them or put them on mp3 players. What good is a streaming audio show, probably unmastered, that plays at 4 o'clock in the morning local time (for me in Australia that is)?

It just seems like they've gone to easy option - get someone else to play the shows - which will backfire on them and us in the end since only relatively few of us get to hear it, meaning they'll make less money from it, so are discouraged from releasing more shows.

We've already showed that we want downloads if Rhino only wants to sell downloads instead of actual CDs. Jeffrey Norman and David L were doing a great job at putting out different releases from different periods. I think Rhino doesn't understand that if they release a desirable release, Dead Heads will all buy it. Of course we aren't going to go through the back catalogue - most of us have what we want out of it. Rhino has to release NEW things (i.e. not repackaged Vault releases with bonus material that was on previous releases).

As many have pointed out, the longer it takes, the less interested Dead Heads will be. There's always somewhere else to get the music - that's the legacy of this band, so Rhino has to be aware of that, rather than treat the vault like any other band's.

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Joined: May 26 2007
New Forum Topic Announced

This is a new forum to help people get the streaming audio to work. Post there if the streams won't load for you, and with a little luck, we'll be able to straighten it out together.

This is not a new forum for bitching or whatever about the lack of downloads.

Joined: Jun 7 2007
Phil Stuff Soon to Come

I am personally over the download thing; hey, it was good while it lasted, but all good things must come to an end. I only wish the heads would have taken a little more of the high road in this thing, rather than all of the personal attacks. But what's done is done. I myself am probably just going to think twice before making any future purchases of new releases by Rhino (Dead or otherwise). And I now find myself coming back to this site less and less (and less).

I remember when John Fogerty sold his copyrights to some market driven company, he wouldn't play any of his Credence songs for years, as I believe he used to say, "hey, I don't feel like putting another tank of gas in some rich guy's Mercedes." That might be something to hang our heads on in this thing.

Where do I see the future of the GD movement going? well, when talking to some young people, you'll start hearing more and more, "the Grateful Dead, what band is that?"

The good news is, Phil's tour will soon be cranking up, and he will be selling downloads of all his shows (probably give away one free-bee, as well).

Greg SC


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