Autumn '72 Vine Part 1 September
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Autumn 72 vine part 1 September
all the September 72 shows (except the 2 dicks picks and 23rd September which is taking too long to Download)
on 3 DVD's
Autumn 72 vine part 1 September
and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it.
As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message.
"A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have.
And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves.
And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree.
Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so".
Take care, tim
Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.
Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.
In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.
I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.
Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.
Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.
if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:
the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting.
One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior.
It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows.
I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away....
Take care, tim
Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider.
Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another.
Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
sometimes , yes my anger and frustration get the best of me , i take medication for that , just seeing people solicit for sex here , well as you can tell it threw ne over the edge ,so my apologies for that outburst. however my wife is a former AOL empoyee, we both know that it is not that dificult to take care of some issusses, maybe your software needs to have key words, like if someone types the word cum,sex, or any other sexually explicit words on their profile then the profile will be automaticlly deleted. thats how aol, yahoo , and sure many others operate. sorry for the outburst . the staff here is haveing a hard time , maybe they need some people with more comp. experience. there has got to be a better way, terms of service , has anyone read terms of service for other web sites. like craigslist.org ? they are based out of the bay area go read their terms of service, maybe someone from craigslist needs a job, and craigslist is also free so it can`t be that dificult to take care of such issusses.. well i`ll leave this brokendown palace for a wile , maybe i`ll go plant a weeping willow.. too all the kind people i have gotton to know , i will miss you all. for those who will like to keep in touch with me please pm me and i will gladly give you my regular e-mail address. i will stick around for the next day or so , after that i will no longer use this service.
thank you everyone for the good times .. peace and my best wishes to all..
i browsed the pages a little and i can only say that stuman is a very humble,polite and nice human being.getting him into cookin like that something must be real weird,if not to say completely wrong.and the CHAT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.you have your tech departement,these guys get paid so they should be able to handle such a thing.if not ,maybe another kind of job would be more appropriate.believe me mary that if this goes on like it does,there will be more people getting angry,and thats not good for all of us.once again i ask you please:why do we have to be policed?:-)(-:
Well at least the fact that people are getting frustrated shows that the chatroom is a popular innovation!!
Everyone knows about the problem, I believe that people are trying to fix it. Its frustrating that it takes so long, but I imagine that resources are not unlimited for servicing this place (which is provided f.o.c., with no ads and such). We really should not take it personally or take it out personally on others; do you really think there was a conscious decision to mess us around on this?
Most of us have at one time or another said we will stay away from the CR because of this problem, but most of keep going back there.....that's our choice and we should know what to expect by now!
Folks I have had such fun chatting with you all lately and a lot of folks have also been helping eachother out during hard times.. lets try and keep that friendly, funny, caring vibe going however we can.
and what have I been missing..no one's invited me for sex!!!
i completely understand stuman freaking out.first you get kicked,not 2 times like u once jokingly said,but 60 to a 100 times and even more if its bad.than the chat breaks down completely like yesterday(which f...d up some important downloads,because i had to shut down the comp.to get it working again!!!)and if you are lucky you get some sex-advertising on top.GOOD GRIEF,what that a tweak yesterday?or some hacker,or a frustrated DH who used his knowledge to kick ass electronically.for me the DN is a social window to people i can dig,because i live in a little ex-communist village where i am a stranger just because i travelled around so the chat is really my window to the world.just tell me one thing mary,please:why we as people of legal age need to be policed in such a humiliating manner?thanks,and have a nice weekend:-)(-: P.S.using the chat,i often see the words "google analytics"blinking on my screen.is this the same google analytics which polices the webpages so willingly for the chinese goverment??????
Let's all be nice, after all it is only a chat room. I don't think there is a need for the verbal or written attacks. Peace everyone and have some patience