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Autumn '72 Vine Part 1 September

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Autumn 72 vine part 1 September

all the September 72 shows (except the 2 dicks picks and 23rd September which is taking too long to Download)

on 3 DVD's

Autumn 72 vine part 1 September

 

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to the great sounds

of marteen playin sax,i listen to jerry "what kind of love would we have,just in case we both were wrong..."and i suddenly understand my error .its not ive been in every bluelight star hotel,its"ive been in every bluelight cheap hotel.."and so is the service...so be it:-)(-:

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Ode to the chat room

Feel free to sing along. I'm sure y'all know the tune

Logged in today, clicked on the chat room link
the text was all red from my friends at play
then they were gone, booted again for misbehavin'
and they might not be there when it's back again

but it's all right, we still try it
even if it seems deranged
kick us out, make us type stuff again and again
but still we keep returning
'cause we're undaunted by the constant pain
and need our place to have
our little bouts with the insane

were you ever in the middle of a conversation with your friends
only to see your browser page go blank
Well you know, we're only trying to have fun
and it's a real bummer when the chat goes in the tank

[insert soaring Jer here...]

we only wnat to babble, we don't want to bring you down
or consume all the resources of your server rack
It's just that My, we've gotten used to having it around
and when it went away we asked to have it back

but it's all right, we still try it
even if it seems deranged
kick us out, make us type stuff again and again
but still we keep returning
'cause we're undaunted by the constant pain
and need our place to have
our little bouts with the insane

Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

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What's really important in life?

For some of us in far away lands the internet is the only way we can keep in contact with the Deadhead community. We all need the love! Some speak other languages. Even when we speak the same language we don't always understand each other the right way. But we're all trying, that's why we're here.

Things always go wrong in life, patience is not always easy to have but we need to not assume things that we don't know. This place as a bonus in life, we have no right to have this place, we are lucky to have it. We don't know if anyone gets paid to run or fix this place. Maybe they do it as an act of free love?

I didn't see the sex spam. I do like sex though and have no problem with it. Spam is not something that should be here as this place was not made for that. I'm totally against banning for using certain words. We are adults here. We don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool, the world is a hard place and it doesn't get easier by hiding from it or hiding others from the truth, quite the opposite actually. I've never seen anyone being TOO offensive here. Much nicer than other GD sites guys, give yourselves a pat on the back! The GD symbolize freedom whether some would like to deny that or not, that's is accepted by most folks. Banning should only be done in cases where there is spamming, threats of violence, or repeated derogatory defamation after warnings have been tried. Swearing, sex talk, and the like are part of life. Rudeness is also but better to try to police it ourselves and report it to our hard working mods when being reasonable fails. That's my two cents.

Group hug...

Are you kind?

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hey oroboros,...

a comp.(sorry that i did not explain it) is a computer,and believe i dont care,if your opinion is that your computers are working well..so be it.i love the GD,i love the music,i love the people who share my feelings towards this band,and i am sitting in front of my computer tears running down my face,because something is wrong and you know that it is..right on so be it:-)(-:i stayed in every bluelight star hotel..peace,if we cant have that,who can..so be it!!!!!

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My opinion is:

Everybody should just chill a bit... PLEASE! They're gonna fix it, I know they will. Blowing up and arguing won't acomplish anything. Take a chill whatever, and enjoy it while it works. Or if you prefer to not use the chat room until it's "just exactly perfect", then just PM me and I will be happy to PM you when it's all totally groovy there. I hope this helps... Plant, Bud

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Frankly, my message was specifically to Stu

and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it.
As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message.
"A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have.
And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves.
And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree.
Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so".
Take care, tim

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to address a couple of the substantive issues

Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.

Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.

In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.

I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.

Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.

Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.

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hallo oroboros!

if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:

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Stu

the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting.
One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior.
It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows.
I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away....
Take care, tim

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stuman

Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider.

Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another.

Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

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Autumn '72 Vine Part 1 September