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The Mysterious "S"

I don't know where that mysterious "S" suddenly came from when it wasn't there before but, right on point, it was up to me to recognize it and correct it rather than to hope that someone else would. It's similar to Obama's message of "hope" and "change."

The previous post should have read "...When he spoke...," not "...WShen he spoke..."

Today is a perfect day to change the world.

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Obama is Still the Guy We Voted For

President Obama is still the same politician as he was before he was elected as our President, in my opinion. WShen he spoke about change that we can believe in he was referring to the change within ourselves, not Washington, DC politics. The politics there won't change until we, as a whole, do.

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correct me if i'm wrong

but i believe we had troops in afganistan well before the invasion of iraq so we can't really blame obama, it's not a "new war"...but i do wish he could just bring everyone home..and here's hoping my brother GOGD doesn't hafta go back.........i'll call you, brother....

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WOW,

Wow, guess a light has been turned on, WE have a bad problem with suicides,. and try to explain that that is a pemanant solution to a temporary problem. WAR is ugly on all sides , may it be home or in the theatre of operations. Young Men, Women volunteer to go, to enter milatary service for a myriad of reasons. I am a Soldier and have been for many years, a true believer in the freedoms of humanity,faced, the ??? and lived another day..... doens't matter, you are alive , breath, laugh, smirk, sleep wake do, go..... have had experienced of a no care lifestyle to an organized disciplened organization. Myself always being one of go, go , go What next. Further. 12-15 deployments of young new to the world into a very serious change of life beyond the norm, of country music, cheeseburgers, and your girlfriend , boyfriend, ( trying to be a little politically correct, FUCK that) comes to play. Men, and Women, REALITY kicks in and so is the DRAMA of growing up. That "you" voluteering fo service NOW accept that WE are at WAR. ?????????????? I was a Drill SGT for a couple of years after first tour , to which We the 173rd Airborne parachuted into northern Iraq on March 26 2003, What an experience, full of into the unknown and personal thoughts prior to leaping int o the darkness, just don't think to hard. Anyway following that would ask new troops WHY are you here , was really mean, and emphasise (spelling) Don't you fucking know we are at WAR, what are you stupid you may be dead shortly, Was my DUTY to elighten X-box kids on the ARMY in wartime , What are you stupid don't you know there is a war on, Why are you here??????? . Do have two personal friends who have taken their own since 2003. The reasons vary I don't hve all the answers of why. Traumatic experiences affect each individual diffenrtly,

Bro as for why so many suicides, not sure if I could give you a positve answer. hurts us all, There are so many,

'ifs" ................ Could go on for days on the "why" "touch another , say hi , how are you?, could make difference!".

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Good 'Ol Not Grateful for the War Dead

Yes, Obama gets an "F" for his first 100 days. He is not the candidate who was running (or should I say "politician"). Now we are stuck for the next 4 years.

Greg SC

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Dead Men Tell No Tales

Why are our troops committing suicide in unprecedented numbers in and out of theater in Afghanistan and Iraq?

It has to with the modern composition of the armed forces and empire.

The all-volunteer army is getting an eyeful of the "unpleasantness" that goes along with running an empire. They have a particular job to do. They don't have to do a lot of the other jobs, like cooking and cleaning the latrines. But that one job, what a muthafucka!

I guess no veteran wants to speak from the heart. I don't presume to know, but I sure would like to hear their opinion...

lamagonzo (not verified)
A Veteran's View

To GOGD, Thanks for your input. The voice of veterans should be heard.

I would like your opinion about why American armed forces are committing suicide at a very alarming rate both in and out of theatre. I mean besides PTSD. I have a relative who got divorced from her husband after he returned from Iraq and threatened to throw her off a second story balcony.

I have my theories but would like to hear a veteran's point of view, if you care to.

Thanks.

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gimme an F

gonzo, ageed till that generation dies. there are so many internal hates and fanatical interpretations of tribes and governments there.Pakistan claims to be allied on the global war on terrorism but in reality are some very shady fuckers. Do good one day and harbour the next. get it. Agree on Mcgoverns sayings, let them dumbasses kill each other off, been like this for how long? Taliban and acts against humanity affects us all. Brother i am a Soldier and believe in peace, and have witnessed hate and death on three continents, and hurts me each day. the basic population of some places will follow anything that gives the basic needs of life, food, water, and some security. Then they will follow, conned on a belief in God and honor and being a martyr. The basic needs and beliefs of all in the world are the same. Tyranny rules where it can easily take control. Is fucking sick. Man in many parts of OUR world, hatred, random killings,power, and atrition (spelling) maybe two T's, reign. and has been the life of people. Just think of the children, born so innocent and new and reeled in on life based on hate. Man I have to tear. shit getting to emotional. there has to be a better way to achieve peace rather than hacking off the heads of those only just a little different than you. By race, color , religion, WE are all here to live and grow as a populus of the big blue. Man one of my pet peeves is "don't fuck with the kids'. Man hope and love are very powerful, and I do not have all the answers, some resolutions for certain issues that may be heartless and cruel, Will put a stop to madness. Or am using a force to bring peace. Is a fine line between politics and just dumb shit. Ever notice how the U.S. does not get involved in Isreal, yes we back it, but do not commit. For me this is righteous, cause would be a real serious mess than we have already got ourselves in. what do you think? Is like kicking a dead dog. Man let it go, stop the dumb shit ya know. Bro sometime s i think some have nothing better to do than cause pain for others. I lived in Italy for about decade, and you may not be able to find a more relaxed, but fit society, yes there is the right and left idiots, like i said that have nothing better to do but bitch about, Really nothing. Oh gee what are we protesting today, AAAAAHduh what fucking idiots. ok sounds a little cynical But really man I have confronted people in rallies and demonstrations, ask questions, is kinda funny, I always have a smile and say hey, what are WE doing here today, and you know half the people don't really know, just seems to be the thing to do. Really with that much energy i'm sure something more worth while can be done. So I will leave with this "Strangers stopping Strangers" thanks for the music gonzo, and to all who may have read this, just strted typing and could't stop, love each other and learn from all experience and knowing will rise above the stupidity.

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

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Afganistan???

I am perplexed as well. For a guy to have run on a "let's get out of Iraq" platform, he sure is looking as though he is nothing more than a ground zero politician. First, he is not going to get us out of Iraq for at least another 2 years, and when he is done there, we are still going to leave 50,000 troops behind for the renegades to behead for their amusement. Then to top it all off, he is starting a new war in Afganistan! This will be the "Obama War." It could be the next Vietnam.

Indeed, for the many here who thought they had real hope in a politician, well, he turned out to be just another ground zero politician, and will be remembered as "ZerObama."

Get us out of Iraq / Afganistan!

Greg SC

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re: what to do?

Don't think it's about oil in Afghanistan. Think it's about the poppies and the nukes in Pakistan. I'm a committed pacifist and I like McGovern's plan (stay the hell out of the Islamic world and they won't see us as a threat -- gee, how silly that sounds!). But, speaking plainly, I do believe the USA should occupy Waziristan and scare the living shit out of every mullah running a pseudo religious/hate madras (school) from Kabul to Karachi. Not forever, just long enough to seize the 50 or so warheads and beat a hasty retreat. The Taliban are zombie zealots that will never go away until their generation dies.

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