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Going Furthur...

Whatever the current version of Furthur is up to, discuss it here!

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why do we hafta have

anti-anybody talk?........we're all stuck on this rock anyway, just turn up the volume and smile!!

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Incognito...

maybe it's all just part of "You say it's a living, we all gotta eat"............

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Furthermore

I've never understood the pick shit apart until your fuckin' head explodes trip. ...and the "corporate shills" bullshit? Yeah...right...doing an album set is playing right into the hands of the corporate dictatorship and the military industrial complex...I've been discovered. I'm just using this site to get Deadheads to invest in the corporate media...curses...foiled again.. As far as the looking back to the past criticism... that smacks of neo conservative double speak, anti hippie, squarehead shit talk. Our past was the future...the present just hasn't caught up yet. I got your future for ya ...right here!!!!!!!!

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Billy

May have been bored during Spring 09 but you sure could not tell. The drums segment at the shoreline shows was the best I have EVER heard. I'm nearly through listening to the entire 09 tour, and like I have said before, there are some aspects of the Dead line up I think are best and there are aspects of the Furthur line up I think are best but in the end I enjoy what each line up has to offer. I know that is a wish-washy stance but it is true and I am going to leave it at that without getting into specifics.

"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"

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jackstrawfromcolorado

Awesome show right!? I was unable to go to the 1st night but I downloaded it and it is killer. estimated>terrapin was exactly what I was looking for! I wish it was played the second night... "my time comin anyday don't worry bout me no"

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Just Peachy

Love your examples of live show concepts, BPeach. I would've loved to climb that rigging.

Good analysis, streamline. Sad about the potential fracture as evidenced in those interviews. =( Cour fore I thought had some hot moments with Warren, especially MSG'09. I'm glad I was there to hear them!

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Dead, Core of Four, Furthur Overview

Well, if you went to any of the Dead's shows last year - whether or not it was the drummers who sucked the life out of the performances was debatable. What seemed clear to me though was that the famous "core of four" was lifeless. Phil and Bobby play well together though, as do Billy and Mickey. Perhaps it's high time that they called it quits and played as two, three, or even four separate bands again. They all seem happiest that way and the product is consistently better, at least IMHO.

I went to Albany (4/17/09) and Hartford (4/26/09). I also picked up soundboards of New York (4/25/09) and Worcester (4/19/09). Of the four, Worcester was by far the strongest. But I just felt that the boys were mailing it in. Billy said as much in an interview back in January:

"I’ll be real honest with you. Toward the end of the Dead tour, I was getting kind of bored with the music because it was kind of formulized. That why I work with these other bands now. I can be totally free and I’m encouraged to be that way. The musicians like that."

The source for this quote can be found here:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-15209-The-Dead-Examiner%7Ey2010m1d2-Interview-with-Grateful-Deads-Bill-Kreutzmann--Part-2

It could be that Bobby's finally burning his bridges to Mickey and Bill. He's been accused of being candid in the past and that's caused trouble before. He got the rap for the whole incident with LAMA, he dissed DSO for not playing their own music, and so it's not a reach that he might take a swing at the drummers after the last Dead tour. It was a miserable run of shows (at least I felt that way) and that must have been disappointing, assuming he felt the same.

I do agree however that the drumming segment of the last Dead tour was consistently the best segment of each night. Mickey and Bill worked out well-crafted routines that were exciting and challenging. However, the interplay among the "core of four" and the two sidemen was tentative at best. The band never jelled.

So now there are two factions and I suspect that there will be a mild battle of words as they separate. I don't take it too seriously. If they can get their collective acts together, they'll patch things up. Whether they all play together again is not something I'd be willing to bet on. I wouldn't bet against it either though.

"When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose

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DeadTurtle

I was there and I agree with you! I really enjoyed 3/5/10 also. It's hard for me to pick which night was the best!

"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"

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Furthur 1st bank center Denver 03-06-10

I attended this show and loved it. The Golden Road was amazing, Time blew me away, and Morning Dew was magic. Any other attendees around?

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right on & hope we meet up @ Angels Camp......:))) Maybe us "old schoolers" need to stick together or at least meet......

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