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143or245's picture
Joined: Oct 18 2007
Welcome Back TL

hope ur world is treating u nicely and and allowing u to enjoy all around u.

stay safe and feel good!
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TigerLilly's picture
Joined: Jul 2 2007
"Evil Twins"

You are especially fond of that topic, aren't you GRTUD!!!!!! Whew, special thanks-found a post again that seems the perfect place to jump back in to posting. That one is too good to let go. :-)
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live.
Samuel Clemens

GRTUD's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007
Evil Twin's Lazy Lightning

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This is an artist rendition of what lightning might look like on the surface of Venus, Earth's "Evil Twin" (yeah, baby!). Scientists recently proved the existence of lightning on the planet with data received from the European Space Probe, Venus Express, although the belief has long been held since the late 70's when NASA first visited the planet with a probe (of their own!).

"I tell you Max, I don't know why I ever leave this place. I've got all the company I need right here." - The Grinch

GRTUD's picture
Joined: Jun 4 2007
Midnight Oil

In Australia, prime minister Howard has been routed by Labor leader, Kevin Rudd. This significant development proves that "western" industrialized nations see a need to balance the enormous responsibilities of large corporate wealth and profits with sensible social safeguards on ideals such as worker rights and a global environment. What remains to be seen is whether those newer faces embracing politics currently, will avoid similar pitfalls of past discretions involving the lobbies of the entrenched industries like oil, coal and mineral mining, as third world countries and China continue to demand those commodities in record breaking amounts.

Few in Rudd's team have any federal government experience. They include a former rock star — one-time Midnight Oil singer Peter Garrett — and a number of former union officials. (AP)

While intimidating, the premise that political experience counts towards any future level of success in office is clearly tempered by recent events in the US which have been marred over the last decade, with political pandering to big money interests at the obvious expense of the working middle class, regardless the party affiliation or length of time served in office. The current US president, George Bush, seems nothing short of a soulless puppet for big oil and the military industrial complex, while the legislative body largely stood by doing nothing in terms of providing constitutional checks and balances. Perhaps if something of a (hetero) sexual encounter had possibly occurred, we could have counted on the legislative branch of government to act with diligence and speed (indifferent to $$$ cost). Instead, it appears the mainsteam, current pool of US presidential contestants are waiting their own turn to "stick it" to the tax payers, with a clear lack of debate or vision being advertised, with only a few exceptions.
Meanwhile the world watches the events in Australia as they unfold, undoubtly hoping for a political renaissance that will buck the idea that "nothing is more precious than a the ground."

"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision." - Norman Mailer

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Joined: Oct 23 2007
Where was I during Gov't/Economics Class back in Highschool?

Maybe I didn't pay enough attention back then, but I just don't get the Electoral College. What's the point of MY vote, with this system in place? To get into the higher ups of politics, it seems to me you'd have to be shady somewhere along the line, but damn, I'd vote for the lesser of the evils if I thought it counted.
A good number of people in my state- SC- don't have the same views as myself- which is fine and most of our elected officals act like "good ol' boys", so should I even try to find out about Platforms?

* and the whole world full of petty wars
singing I got mine & you got yours
while the current fashions set the pace
loose your step, fall out of grace
the radical he rants & rage(raves?)
singing someone got to turn the page
the rich man in his summer home
singing just leave well enough alone
but his pants are down, his cover's blown
& the politicians throwing stones
so the kids they dance & shake their bones
'cause it's all too clear we're on our own......

Picture a bright blue ball spinning spinning free... *

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Joined: Oct 17 2007

At this point, the fact that we humans are changing the climate of our planet is undeniable. Of course there will always be a few who cannot face reality, who say Elvis still lives, that there never was a moon landing and so forth, but just about everyone who really knows anything about it agrees.
As always, the worse effects of climate change will be experienced by the poorest people in Africa, Bangladesh and other places.
I have been studying this problem since I was first introduced to it as a college student in the mid-1980's and I don't forecast our so-called-leaders ever sucking it up and taking the kind of drastic action the situation will require.
What's a poor boy to do?

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Joined: Jun 4 2007
Underground Lair Breakthrough

This time, I'll demand 100 million dollars (underground lairs are frickin' expensive)!

10 minutes ago
Scientists have made ordinary human skin cells take on the chameleon-like powers of embryonic stem cells, a startling breakthrough that might someday deliver the medical payoffs of embryo cloning without the controversy.

Laboratory teams on two continents report success in a pair of landmark papers released Tuesday. It's a neck-and-neck finish to a race that made headlines five months ago, when scientists announced that the feat had been accomplished in mice.

The "direct reprogramming" technique avoids the swarm of ethical, political and practical obstacles that have stymied attempts to produce human stem cells by cloning embryos.

Scientists familiar with the work said scientific questions remain and that it's still important to pursue the cloning strategy, but that the new work is a major coup.

"This work represents a tremendous scientific milestone _ the biological equivalent of the Wright Brothers' first airplane," said Dr. Robert Lanza, chief science officer of Advanced Cell Technology, which has been trying to extract stem cells from cloned human embryos.

"It's a bit like learning how to turn lead into gold," said Lanza, while cautioning that the work is far from providing medical payoffs.

"It's a huge deal," agreed Rudolf Jaenisch, a prominent stem cell scientist at the Whitehead Institute in Cambridge, Mass. "You have the proof of principle that you can do it."

The White House lauded the papers, saying such research is what President Bush was advocating when he twice vetoed legislation to pave the way for taxpayer-funded embryo research.

There is a catch with the new technique. At this point, it requires disrupting the DNA of the skin cells, which creates the potential for developing cancer. So it would be unacceptable for the most touted use of embryonic cells: creating transplant tissue that in theory could be used to treat diseases like diabetes, Parkinson's, and spinal cord injury.

But the DNA disruption is just a byproduct of the technique, and experts said they believe it can be avoided.

The new work is being published online by two journals, Cell and Science. The Cell paper is from a team led by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka of Kyoto University; the Science paper is from a team led by Junying Yu, working in the lab of in stem-cell pioneer James Thomson of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Both reported creating cells that behaved like stem cells in a series of lab tests.

Thomson, 48, made headlines in 1998 when he announced that his team had isolated human embryonic stem cells.

Yamanaka gained scientific notice in 2006 by reporting that direct reprogramming in mice had produced cells resembling embryonic stem cells, although with significant differences. In June, his group and two others announced they'd created mouse cells that were virtually indistinguishable from stem cells.

For the new work, the two men chose different cell types from a tissue supplier. Yamanaka reprogrammed skin cells from the face of an unidentified 36-year-old woman, and Thomson's team worked with foreskin cells from a newborn. Thomson, who was working his way from embryonic to fetal to adult cells, said he's still analyzing his results with adult cells.

Both labs did basically the same thing. Each used viruses to ferry four genes into the skin cells. These particular genes were known to turn other genes on and off, but just how they produced cells that mimic embryonic stem cells is a mystery.

"People didn't know it would be this easy," Thomson said. "Thousands of labs in the United States can do this, basically tomorrow."

The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation, which holds three patents for Thomson's work, is applying for patents involving his new research, a spokeswoman said. Two of the four genes he used were different from Yamanaka's recipe.

Scientists prize embryonic stem cells because they can turn into virtually any kind of cell in the body. The cloning approach _ which has worked so far only in mice and monkeys _ should be able to produce stem cells that genetically match the person who donates body cells for cloning.

That means tissue made from the cells should be transplantable into that person without fear of rejection. Scientists emphasize that any such payoff would be well in the future, and that the more immediate medical benefits would come from basic research in the lab.

In fact, many scientists say the cloning technique has proven too expensive and cumbersome in its current form to produce stem cells routinely for transplants.

The new work shows that the direct reprogramming technique can also produce versatile cells that are genetically matched to a person. But it avoids several problems that have bedeviled the cloning approach.

For one thing, it doesn't require a supply of unfertilized human eggs, which are hard to obtain for research and subjects the women donating them to a surgical procedure. Using eggs also raises the ethical questions of whether women should be paid for them.

In cloning, those eggs are used to make embryos from which stem cells are harvested. But that destroys the embryos, which has led to political opposition from President Bush, the Roman Catholic church and others.

Those were "show-stopping ethical problems," said Laurie Zoloth, director of Northwestern University's Center for Bioethics, Science and Society.

The new work, she said, "redefines the ethical terrain."

Richard Doerflinger of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops called the new work "a very significant breakthrough in finding morally unproblematic alternatives to cloning. ... I think this is something that would be readily acceptable to Catholics."

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said the new method does not cross what Bush considers an "ethical line." And Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, a staunch opponent of publicly funded embryonic stem cell research, said it should nullify the debate.

Another advantage of direct reprogramming is that it would qualify for federal research funding, unlike projects that seek to extract stem cells from human embryos, noted Doug Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute.

Still, scientific questions remain about the cells produced by direct reprogramming, called "iPS" cells. One is how the cells compare to embryonic stem cells in their behavior and potential. Yamanaka said his work detected differences in gene activity.

If they're different, iPS cells might prove better for some scientific uses and cloned stem cells preferable for other uses. Scientists want to study the roots of genetic disease and screen potential drug treatments in their laboratories, for example.

Scottish researcher Ian Wilmut, famous for his role in cloning Dolly the sheep a decade ago, told London's Daily Telegraph that he is giving up the cloning approach to produce stem cells and plans to pursue direct reprogramming instead.

Other scientists said it's too early for the field to follow Wilmut's lead. Cloning embryos to produce stem cells remains too valuable as a research tool, Jaenisch said.

Dr. George Daley of the Harvard institute, who said his own lab has also achieved direct reprogramming of human cells, said it's not clear how long it will take to get around the cancer risk problem. Nor is it clear just how direct reprogramming works, or whether that approach mimics what happens in cloning, he noted.

So the cloning approach still has much to offer, he said.

Daley, who's president of the International Society for Stem Cell Research, said his lab is pursuing both strategies.

"We'll see, ultimately, which one works and which one is more practical."


Associated Press writer Laurie Kellman contributed to this report from Washington.

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"Ultimately a hero is a man who would argue with the gods, and so awakens devils to contest his vision." - Norman Mailer

Joined: Oct 5 2007
thanks for the post

and cc the joke too.i shall stay of the subject of JACKASS MONEY LUSTING LIER BASTERDS!!!!!okay enough said!!!!im a person who believes in the action speaks volumes...and thank you '245'yes thank you allFOR SERVING MY COUNTRY SO MY CHILDREN DONT HAVE TO WALK THE STREETS CARRYING WAR' MATERIAL,cause this is a way of life..and for the ones who were DRAFTTED,AND 'LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THE ONES WHO CHOOSE TO SERVE!!!!!!!THANK YOU!PEACE....

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Joined: Jun 4 2007

well... since you politico folks are rapping here, I'll lay this joke on you here as well:

George Bush has a heart attack and dies. He goes to hell where the Devil is waiting for him.

'I don't know what to do here,' says the Devil. 'You're on my list but I have no room for you, but you definitely have to stay here, so I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I've got 3 people here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let YOU decide who leaves. '

George thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed.

The devil opened the first room.

In it was Ted Kennedy and a large pool of water. He kept resurfacing over and over and over, gasping for air. Such was his fate in hell.

'No!' George said. 'I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and don't think I could do that all day long for eternity.'

The devil led him to the next room.

In it was Tony Blair with a sledgehammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing that hammer, time after time after time, and more rocks appeared.

'No! I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day for eternity!' thought George.

The devil opened a third door. In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying on the floor with his arms staked over his head and his legs staked in spread eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best.

George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said, 'Yeah, I can handle this.'

'The devil smiled and said.... 'Monica, you're free to go!'

yuk yuk yuk... ( -:


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Joined: Oct 17 2007
Amen 143

Don't get me started. Its terrible how vets are treated. Look how many are homeless.


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