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South Carolina Blues

I give a "Wag of My Finger" to the great ole' state of SC today for attempting to squash Steven Colbert's run for the White House. Apparently, the democratic process is available only to the "professional" politicians and life long cronies of those that control state election agencies. In addition, those that accuse the pseudo conservative talk show host of making a mockery of the political process, I say look no further than this ridiculous decision and the last eight years of infamous political disaster.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to my underground lair.

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Answer - Prison!

I know where this creep can get a place to stay. I'll help pay! NO MORE EXCUSES! Hal, I love ya' and I agree that there are instances where prison isn't the answer but I can almost guarantee that when they catch this creep, he's a repeater and should have been given residency behind bars years ago. I know we can't stop 'em all but we can stop many. My idea is to build prisons exclusively for politicians, child molesters and those that make false accusations of abuse, so they can all feel at home. If this society can find a place for Martha Stewart behind bars, it can find place for these poor souls, on a very long term basis.

LAUREL, Md. -- Laurel police said they believe a man who abducted and sexually assaulted a 4-year-old girl Wednesday night also went into a church and assaulted three other girls.

Police said that the man went into the Mormon church on Contee Road and sexually assaulted girls ages 13, 9 and 6. The girls' mothers were at a meeting in the church.

Police said the man then lured a 4-year-old girl whose mother was working in the church into his car. He drove to several locations with the girl for 30 to 45 minutes and sexually assaulted her before letting her go about a mile from the church, officials said. A passer-by saw the child wandering around and called police.

Eight year olds, Dude.

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Peace

Thanks Hal, Being on the front lines you have good insight into the subject. Mybe because I have two school age kids, and because what I have seen it do to friends of mine, this particular issue gets me riled up like nothing else. But, there really are no easy answers. Here in California they passed an initiative, which I voted against, that said registered offenders couldn't live within some distance from a park or school. Lots of them have been evicted and are now impossible to keep track of. Something supposedly intended to keep people safer has had just the opposite effect. I suppose you are right in observing the ugly truth of the matter is that there always has been, and maybe there will always be, this kind of thing, as well as the tragedy that follows. (taking a deep breath and climbing off soapbox) I'm done now. Thanks for your toughtfulness and caring.

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no easy answer

Hi thndrbill,
I sure wish I knew the answer. At first I thought you were asking me directly what do I do and I started to answer that. So here is what I do myself, I work as a Registered Nurse in the Child and Family Division of a nonprofit mental health agency and see abused and neglected children and their families every day. That is part of why I am so passionate about this subject.
Maybe one thing we as a society need to do is put more effort into monitoring these sex offenders under the criminal justice system instead of spending all the public’s money on keeping drug offenders locked up. It also doesn't seem like some in government really care that much about agencies that deal with these types of problems like CPS etc to help the kids.
Funding in the right spots would help.

Sad to say this type of thing has happened during much of recorded history.

Very sickening thing happened here this past week. One of the old hotels where many of the sex offenders lived has been sold to be converted to condominiums and these folks were evicted and left without being set up for a place to live so they all left and now no one knows where they are. What BS.

Thank you for the conversation. Peace.

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
Wiliam Blake

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Thoughtfulness appreciated, but . . .

Hal, your toughtfulness is appreciated, but what do you do? Quite a few of my female friends were victims of this kind of thing and, as a 15-year-old, I had to fight someone off someone who picked me up hitchiking. I am not vengeful by nature -- a drunk driver nearly killed me in 1984 and left me with life-long serious injuries, but I don't even know his name and have no idea if he was punished or not.
This is different. The drunk driver was reckless, selfish and obviously dangerous, but there was no intent to cause harm. What should the consequences be for those who prey upon those who have no way of defending themselves? How do you stop them from doing it again?

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Hugs OK; No Hug Lines

I believe the principle in question (the original post that started this conversation) was correct in barring "hug lines" (contrived) but to bar hugs altogether was wrong, if that was the case.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him."

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It is emotional but it requires thought to deal with it.

thdrbill - The following is part of the point I have been trying to make of why it is so complicated and gut wrenching.

For children: Nearly 76% of perpetrators of sexual abuse were friends or neighbors and 30% were other relatives. This is according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Children's Bureau for 2003.

I don't see that killing a person who commits sexual abuse of a child as an answer to this terrible act. I believe that a person should have a right to a fair trial.

If people acted as you mention the kids would have deal with the effects of the abuse and having a parent in jail. Of course a parent’s first reaction to protect their child.

Another sad thing is that much of this never comes out or only years after it happens so the abuser is out of the picture and long gone.

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
Wiliam Blake

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DNA

While there are some fakers, with DNA testing it is much easier to identify real abusers than it used to be. I am pretty forgiving person, but I really have no compassion for those who abuse children. It is so wrong on so many levels. Maybe that's harsh, but too bad. I have young children and if I ever caught anyone messing with them they wouldn't be going to jail, they'd be headed for the graveyard.

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news.

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Canada?

I once spoke to an employee of DYFS, an admittedly broken system, who told me 90% of the initial cases they investigate involve children who are trying to retaliate against their parents for not getting their way, amongst other things. If this is true, that’s both staggering and sad. This is basically the first line of defense to help children be able to separate themselves from an abusive situation. Again, if this is true, its sad to see the very people it was designed to help are abusing it and contributing to its apparent failure. I’m sure DYFS is broken for several reasons, one obvious is they are overwhelmed. This along with a seemingly revolving door policy for the abusers has only made it too easy to carry on with such despicable behavior.

We as a society have brought this issue to light in more recent years, as it probably was swept under the rug more than I’d like to think in years gone by. Unfortunately the tools we have to deal with it are not very effective. Megans Law and Amber Alert are a start, but I don’t think there is a simple solution and it’s going to be very difficult to find one.

Call off the bombers, its not Canada’s fault! We need to re-strategize.

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