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In Principle

I agree with Hal, in principle, in terms of the fact that people are not bad rather they do bad things to themselves and others, on occasion. I also understand that some molestation cases are muddied by other issues in which harm, control and sadism isn't the objective of the crime. I also believe that the appalling nature of our prison and corrections systems are no help or even contribute to this situation. However, in many of these cases, I cannot believe the excuses being used (successfully) to regain freedom for individuals that ultimately commit the same atrocities, in some instances, over and over again. Help these folks in prison, where they belong. If a person cannot overcome these urges, incarceration is not a bad solution and even noble, imo.
As far as these "witch hunt" scenarios, this is (as yet) an undefined area of pathological synergism, which (I believe) involves a realm of science and theory that space and topic do not allow for discussion in this format but is real, nonetheless, and connected to this disease process directly.

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along the same lines, Hal

google McMartin Preschool, which is sort of the ur-example of that sort of witch hunt.

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I often think

of a little girl in Vallejo, who's 15 by now. I'm following the convention of not posting her name because she's an abuse victim, but at the same time I think she deserves a medal, a statue in the park, etc. She was 8 years old when she was snatched off the street not far from her home, and was held captive in the abductor's vehicle for two days, handcuffed to the interior and subjected to all manner of molestation. However, she was one tenacious, smart little girl, and kept trying to pick the lock of the handcuffs when her abductor was distracted elsewhere, finally succeeding when he was in a restroom or something. She ran screaming from his vehicle and jumped into the truck of a truck driver at the same gas station, telling him the whole story. The truck driver not only protected her but got the abductor's license plate before he could flee the scene, and the perp was soon behind bars.

When the trial came up, she was a very, very good witness. And being a repeat offender and all, he got sent away for a long time. Whereupon it soon emerged that he was also the one who had kidnapped and murdered another little girl by the name of Xiana Fairchild, who was one of the big unsolved cases around here for years. So thanks to a brave, smart little girl, this guy will never get out, and God bless her every day, I say.

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Throwing stones, calling names and accusations

This is one reason I really try to watch labeling and to be careful with accusations. True and sad story about wrongful accusations; this happened here in Washington in the 90's - The Wenatchee sex ring.

This is from Wikipedia.

"The Wenatchee sex ring of Wenatchee, Washington was an example of day care sexual abuse hysteria in 1994 and 1995.

Police and state social workers undertook what was then called the nation's most extensive child sex-abuse investigation in 1994. Investigators claimed to have found interlocking circles of institutional child sexual abuse, the Wenatchee sex rings. These claims are now regarded as false and as the result of coercive interrogation of children.

The investigation started in January of 1995 when Detective Robert Perez was told by his foster daughter, Donna Perez, that she was sexually molested. She'd said she had been raped or molested by almost every adult she knew, and the same molestation had occurred to almost every other child she knew. On March 13, 1995, Perez put Donna in his police car with two social services caseworkers and they drove through Wenatchee and East Wenatchee. Donna pointed out houses and buildings where she says she and other children were repeatedly raped and molested since January of 1988. She listed 22 locations. During the tour she pointed to a delivery man and a taxi driver, and they were added to the caseworker's list.

Forty-three adults were then arrested on 29,726 charges of child sex abuse, involving 60 children. Parents and Sunday school teachers were charged and many were convicted of abusing children, often including their own, or their foster children. Pastor Robert Roberson was arrested after speaking out against other arrests, just as he had been warned he would be.

The courts ultimately determined the charges were not true, and found that the police had coerced children into giving false statements and false testimony in court. Dr. Phillip Esplin, a forensic psychologist for the National Institutes of Health's Child Witness Project said that "Wenatchee may be the worst example ever of mental health services being abused by a state ... to control and manage children who have been frightened and coerced into falsely accusing their parents and neighbors of the most heinous of crimes."

Those who were convicted were freed by higher courts and had their convictions overturned or pleaded guilty on lesser and usually unrelated charges. Five served their full sentences before their cases were overturned. Some lost parental rights."

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
Wiliam Blake

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the behavior

Stella Blue, I believe the behavior is despicable "so worthless or obnoxious as to rouse moral indignation ".

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Point well taken, Hal

I was just venting a little and took a one sided view. But........
scum·bag (skmbg)
n. Slang
A person regarded as despicable

Pretty descriptive, any way you look at it. :)

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What is a scumbag?

Many (not all) of the people that abuse children sexually, physically and emotionally were abused the same way as a child. It is often passed down through the generations. That is not an excuse it is a fact. The cycle needs to be broken and not kept on.

Imagine if your introduction to sex is as a child with an adult; you are going to be be damaged in some way. It is very sad and it is also sad that people often call adults that were abused as children and then carry on this illness scumbags. They are people that carry great pain from a very young age and are ill. They need help.

But then there are also just some deranged sick people that were not abused that have no self control.

It just isn't so simple. I think that those of us that were not abused sexually have much to be thankful for and should try and show compassion and understanding for those that were. Once again I am not saying this is an excuse. Just imagine if you were treated this way as a child and how you would react as you grow up. Pretty hard to even put yourself in that spot isn't it?

I also know that society is much more open about abuse and discussing and dealing with it. These kinds of things did happen in the past but everything was hush, hush.

These are hard topics to deal with and face but we must as a society..

Peace

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marye, I think I remember

marye, I think I remember that. I stopped watching when I realized they could probably run a sting every day and never run short of scumbags. This kind of media really does make you, at least as a parent, watch over your kids like a hawk at least as best you can. Way more so than was done when I was a kid. Maybe there was just a false sense of security back then, who knows.

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yeah, that TV show is pretty much a staple on NBC

and every damn week they nail the most astonishing sleazeballs.

Unfortunately, as has subsequently come to light, they do so with an eye to ratings rather than an eye to legal due process, which has resulted in all their bust-ees from at least one episode being turned loose because the DA said there was no way the cases wouldn't be thrown out of court.

Wotta mess, all around.

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Sounds to me like the school

Sounds to me like the school is paranoid some kid will tell their parents they were groped by another student. I work closely with principals and superintendents, not on an educational level but as a construction consultant, but can tell you they are mostly scared of irrate parents and the lawsuits that follow. I, as i'm sure many of you with school age kids, can tell you first hand i've dealt with parents that are completety irrational, blame everyone else but their own kid, and don't even seem to be from this planet. Those are the same wackos who are looking to and will at least try to slap a lawsuit against you over nothing.

There was a show on tv a few months ago where they set up a sting to catch child molesters. It made me sick to watch all these old perverts trying to have sex with young kids. It seemed like the line of scumbags was neverending! So I wonder, is it the overwhelming negative media coverage of all this shit these days or are there just way more sick twisted fucks in the world than there used to be. Repeat offenders! They just get a slap on the wrist and are told to report where they live. What a joke. Its only when they finally kill someone, like that poor girl in Fla, I felt so bad for the father, that they finally get put away. The scumbag lived right across the fucking street and nobody knew!

Sorry for venting, i'm going to go puke now.

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