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El-Assad's quote

I sincerely hope you're right Mike. He is backed into a corner and has already proved intent.

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Same As It Ever Was

> "The Middle East is a powder keg and the fire is coming... nobody knows what will happen..."

It's coming up on 1000 years since the Catholic Church first launched the Crusades in the year 1095. The Middle East has always been a powder keg, the fire is always coming, and nobody ever knows what will happen. It's a holy war and it's probably going to continue until Jesus and Mohammad come back to duke it out for once and for all. In the meantime, things will pretty much remain same as they ever were.

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McCain & Grahm spinning gas attacks for political gain

After meeting with the President at the White House today, McCain and Grahm acted like men who had to sell their constituents a crappy bill of goods. Selling war is their specialty. The war economy floats their boat. Eternal war without end.

Their pretension that Obama's actions are inadequate or wrong is odious. Put them all on record and let the American government act with one voice.

Notice I said government, not people. We are a Republic and I for one don't want another bomb dropped in my name, which I will have to answer for at the time of my death, on anybody.*

"The Middle East is a powder keg and the fire is coming... nobody knows what will happen..." Bashar el-Assad in an interview today in the French major daily La Figaro

*This expresses my conviction that if you pay for the bombs with your taxes you bear some responsibility, to a lesser or greater degree.

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@Smithereen: Evidence that 2 A Bombs Need Not Have Been Dropped

The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, set up by the War Department in 1944 to study the results of aerial attacks in the war, interviewed hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, and reported just after the war:

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony
of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that
certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November,
1945 Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped,
even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or
contemplated."

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But could American leaders have known this in August of 1945? The answer is, clearly, yes. The Japanese code had been broken, and Japan's messages were being intercepted. It was known that the Japanese had instructed their ambassador in Moscow to work on peace negotiations with the Allies. Japanese leaders had begun talking of surrender a year before this, and the Emperor himself had begun to suggest, in June 1945, that alternatives to fighting to the end be considered. On July 13th, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired his ambassador in Moscow. "Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace..." Martin Sherwin, after an exhaustive study of the relevant historical documents concludes "Having broken the Japanese code before the war, American Intelligence was able to, and did, relay this message to the president, but it had no effect whatever on efforts to bring the war to a conclusion."
If only the Americans had not insisted on unconditional surrender -- that is if they were willing to accept one condition to the surrender, that the Emperor, a holy figure to the Japanese, remain in place -- the Japanese would have agreed to stop the war.
Why did the United States not take that small step to save both American and Japanese lives? Was it because too much money and effort had been invested in the atomic bomb not to drop it? General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project, described Truman as a man on a toboggan, the momentum to great to stop it.

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My editorial: We've been fed a line of crap for decades about the saving of millions of lives, mostly American, in the invasion of the Japanese home islands. My father, a WWII Pacific Theater veteran, repeatedly made this argument to me in a defensive way. We knew. They knew. It was about scientific study of the types of atom bombs dropped, even with intelligence that American prisoners of war were turned into shadows in Hiroshima (which WAS NOT a military target) and Nagasaki.

There were also other factors more in the nature of conjecture.

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Japan surrender?

Do you have any supporting documentation for your statements on Japan? I could not find any. Thanks.

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Good point, Unkle Sam

I think the local burghers in my town would let go with the mustard gas found in the old pre WWI horse stables if they couldn't taze anybody they wanted with impunity... Like employees who didn't show up for work on time because they had to drop their kid at daycare. Well, maybe I'm being a bit harsh.

But consider this from the NY Times:

"In 2006, former Iraqi general, Georges Sada, who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book detailing how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria, before the US-led action to eliminate Saddam Hussein’s WMD threat, by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

As reported in the New York Sun on January 26, 2006:

“‘There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands,’ Mr. Sada said. ‘I am confident they were taken over.’”

“Mr. Sada’s comments come just more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam ‘transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.’

SO, I don't believe the US gave El-Assad 1 or 2 (father Hafez or son Bashar) his weapons -- I think it is evident he got them from Hussein, but we won't know till we see the shell markings. El Assad is officially listed as President and secretary of the local Baath Party. Just another Jack-Muslim who makes a point of paying for his I-Tunes.

(This whole thing is getting rather bizarre)

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from the biggest ally to sick murderer in one week

wow, what a world, we give this guy everything he needs to kill everyone in the area and then we get pissed when he does, what did you expect? You know being king is a great gig, and most anyone would do whatever it takes to hang on to that job and don't think for one second that the same thing wouldn't happen in this country if the powers that be felt that their little gigs might end.

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I Love The Syrian's Smell Of Napalm In The Morning -

- It smells like WWIII...

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Obama Flinches and The World Attacks
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Obama Leaves the Footall In Congressional Hands

After the presidential succession for the last 30 years has usurped the War Powers Act more and more suddenly a stunning revesal of fortune has come from the Obama Administration in the form of letting the Congress debate and vote on the issue of military action against the regime of Bashar Al-Assad of Syria for the worst chemical weapons attack by a dictator against his own people since 1988.

The Joint Chiefs have assured the president the window is open to a vast array of responses that seem little attached to a time table of any significance. Truly war-torn and weary nations suffering attacks and massive refugee camps like Turkey would like the Administration to think a little less and bomb a great deal harder but Obama seems to want to put every member of Congress on record if things go South. If those 200 cruise missiles and drones start hammering away ineffectively at Syrian targets of strategic importance? Israel becomes embroiled in a war that America feels morally obliged to come to Israel's defense against invading Syria, Iran and Russia. This time it will be boots on the ground (and tanks). Every veteran's mouth goes dry with the swallowing of the necessary 8 more pills to ward off the inevitable adrenaline and PTSD build-up rush.

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