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@Parkas

Yeah, I would agree the Muslims are persecuted to a larger or smaller degree in this country. I missed that.

There was a time before JFK when people questioned the allegiance of Catholics to the pope too. I guess that rises to the level persecution.

To a larger or smaller degree there is some kind of social onus on all religions, except for WASPs, but very little of it is actual persecution because of religion.

Have you traveled abroad to countries where religion is officially persecuted? There are freedoms we take for granted in this country. There is even a Church of John Coltrane in SF, or similar name.

Is throwing the Hare Krishnas out of the airports persecution?

The US government did seem to officially persecute the Moonies for a while in the 70s.

Actually, this is a pretty interesting subject, Parkas

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RE: Which religion is being persecuted, Parkas?

The level of religious persecution in this country now is nowhere near the degree that caused this land to get settled in the first place, but there is indeed persecution going on. It's much more subtle, though, and under-the-radar; the media is largely to blame and has been since 9/11. We talk of the war on terror, but we ignore the many non-Muslim, non-Arabic terrorist groups that remain active and unbothered by America's so-called "War on Terror." Why? Because, according to post-9/11 standards, if you're of Arabic descent and a Muslim, chances are you're a terrorist.

It's akin to the treatment of the many Japanese-American citizens that were living in this country around the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were persecuted simply because they looked like the enemy, regardless of whether or not they were even remotely affiliated with the Japanese Emperor. And where did we throw them? Concentration camps, similar to where the Nazis kept the Jews around the same time. Not religious persecution but persecution nonetheless.

And what about the fringe churches that have been picketing the funerals of gay soldiers who died overseas? They're using their religion to persecute those who don't believe what they believe. Or the persecution of the gay community as a whole by the Christian Right? Trying to keep them from having the Constitutional right to be a legally-recognized married couple sure sounds like persecution to me.

I guess you could say the persecution is on a more social level than what we typically identify as persecution, but, in my opinion, it's still persecution. When I used to go to church, no one was told to hate gay people or that gay people were going to Hell because their lifestyle went against what's in the Bible. I remember hearing sermons and stories about how God loves us all no matter what, and that it's our job to love our neighbors in the same way. I just hope it doesn't get any worse.

Of course, it all depends on how you define "persecution," too....

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North Korea cuts hotline

With South Korea.

Every new leader has his mettle tested and the new Kim (cult dictator of NK) is not different. The movie Olympus Has Fallen had it's world-wide release last Monday and it totally vilifies NK. Of course, Kim is threatening to nuke us. No one can tell if the intelligence estimate about his ICBMs is accurate or not. The movie is likely a deliberate provocation as America installs it's own version of the "Iron Dome" anti-ballistic missile defense on the West Coast. The attitude from America seems to be to taunt him and let him take his best shot.

NK is, of course, a Chinese proxy. NK is never going to be invaded, the deal seems to be "We don't screw with NK, they don't screw with Taiwan." This could be an attempt to defang him at the earliest opportunity or at least to test him as a leader.

This movie opens shortly after Rodman visits NK? Give me a break! This whole thing has been planned carefully, from sanctions onward, and this is Kim's first reaction, to cut the hotline. South Korea is taking a hardline stand also. Another provocation by the North, like sinking it's warship three years ago, will lead to war, with 30,000 American soldiers within 10 miles of DMZ.

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Scalia

Likes to spend time on his private curtilage, thank god.

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Thanks for the Word of the Day, marye

cur·ti·lage [kur-tl-ij]

noun Law.
the area of land occupied by a dwelling and its yard and outbuildings, actually enclosed or considered as enclosed.

Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English courtelage < Anglo-French; Old French cortillage, equivalent to cortil yard ( cort court + -il diminutive suffix) + -age -age

"curtilage." Dictionary.com Unabridged. Random House, Inc. 26 Mar. 2013. < Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/curtilage >.

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Speaking of drug dogs and unwarranted searches....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbYbqZKphyQ

**how pathetic that the legality of herb is still an issue. Sale of personal property remains a great source of confiscation income for cash strapped police departments, though, and since pot is so ubiquitous in our society, that's a major cash cow to be passing up by blanket legalization.

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Supreme's decision on search

Well, at least there is still a little freedom left. Not much though. There is NO comparison between the amount of freedom we had pre-9/11 and the amount of freedom we have now.

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Which religion is being persecuted, Parkas?

I don't see persecution of religion where I live. Dubya was off-the-wall whacko (about 13 years ago) with that fundamentalist little book he made his entire White House staff read but I I don't see other religions persecuted. Would you care to share a few examples?

The thing I do see is a strong Christian identity in the armed forces of the US and the labeling of an enemy anywhere they fight as "barbarian". Even this does not seem to be the majority and the demonizing of the enemy is a normal human tendency. Kind of a thing that religions are supposed to educate about...

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in other news from the Supremes

all the more remarkable because the majority was Scalia, Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan: No, they can't search your house without a warrant after they've brought a drug-sniffing dog onto your front porch with no consent.

Truly lovely bit from Scalia:

"The police cannot, without a warrant based on probable cause, hang around on the lawn or in the side garden, trawling for evidence and perhaps peering into the windows of the home. And the officers here had all four of their feet and all four of their companion's, planted firmly on that curtilage — the front porch is the classic example of an area intimately associated with the life of the home."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Court-Drug-dog-sniff-is-unconstitutional-search-4385197.php#ixzz2Og3WxGXP

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RE: Same sex marriage

In my humble and terribly unenlightened opinion, I think the only reason that gay marriage is such a "hot button" issue is that this country has forgotten the beliefs upon which is was founded. Perhaps it's because children aren't learning the same history lessons those of us among the "older" generation learned, but the religious persecution that's been going on for at least a decade now is the whole reason why the settlers left in the first place. I don't know the source of the misrepresentation of this country's history is coming from--though I have a few ideas where Scooby Doo & Co. should start looking--but it's a sad sight to see for someone who considers himself to be fairly well educated.

What probably doesn't help, either, is that it seems quite clear that no one--and I mean NO ONE--can grasp the concept of "Separation Between Church and State." The fact that we have politicians in Washington who believe the Constitution should reflect the laws of the Bible and are allowed to keep their jobs disgusts me. Another thing that disgusts me is how many of the churches on the Christian Right that are teaching their followers to hate everyone who isn't exactly like them. What ever happened to "Freedom of Religion"? You know, one of those other principles upon which this country was founded? Sure, I get that America was founded on Christian principles, but it was NOT founded as a Christian nation. I don't care what Fox "News" says.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that making same-sex marriage unConstitutional is, in itself, unConstitutional. It's not like the gay community is asking to be married in churches; all they want is the legal recognition the rest of us get. The only reason the Christian Right have their mullets in such a tizzy is because they refuse to see the other side of the argument. But what if their right to marry a member of the opposite sex was taken away? Is that REALLY what it takes for someone to empathize with their fellow man? And since when was denying another American citizen his/her rights Constitutional?

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