hey grdaed73, sorry, not sure if i am qualified to answer but, first, if you take off into the mexican desert night, bring a flashlight. If you jump off the bus be sure and tuck and roll. Make sure vincent has gas. and most importantly wacth out for those dang ravens! we need you man!
Oh... just pm the person and wait a day and then post you have not heard from them, maybe someone knows wahts up. then just bypass them and post it and they can re post. Really doesn;t have to be that complicated.
Sad thing is there's never very much traffic in the desert, and nobody loves traffic.
thats a lot of work for little ol'me, i try to work outside restraints, surprises make life more fun!! but anyhow what is the proper waiting period, i take into consideration internet/connection down,illness, vacationing and lately mortality and of course there's that unthinkable... jumped off the bus, grabbed the ampex,strapped it onto the vincent and took off through the mexican desert night, just a black shadow never to be seen again..quote the raven, nevermore!!
so, oh wise one, sage of kindness and knowledge of vine care , Oroboros of the old school, what is the proper waiting period for a reply, and how many pm's to send asking for address
Cosmicbadger should be appointed king for life.
Court of Higher Nonsense and Mutual repect.......I usually look to Oroboros for level headed guidence in this area.
email me at firstname.lastname@example.org and I will send you a copy of my vining spreadsheet, which provides a dashboard, of sorts, for the vines I'm signed up with - both expected and completed. You can take this and modify it to suit your needs - and populate your vines in it. When I sign up for a vine, I put the name of the vine, the url link, the contents, the current sign-up list, as well as many other data fields in the spreadsheet - so I can sort it by expected arrival date. When I want to check thingns out on the vines I'm signed up for, I just open the spreadsheet and click on the url of each vine & update the spreadsheet, as neccessary. Then I re-sort on the new expected dates, so I am never surprised when a package arrives - and I track when I sent my address to the person in front of me & who is behind me & whether I have their address.
As one who stumbled on this and had to ask how it all worked - but moved on to be a significant contributor of vines and finder of lost vines (i've revived quite a few), I feel qualified to comment here.
First, I'd like to see a static topic, with a single post, titled "this is how vining works" - which would contain a concise description of how it works:
1. how to sign up
- copying the list & adding your name correctly in the post
- PM'ing the person before you with your address when your sign up
2. what to do when the vine arrives
- post to the vine
- copy the disks
- send the originals to the next person on the list (they should have pm'd you
with their address when they signed up) - if not, pm the next person for
3. What to do after you mail the vine
- post to the vine
- track what vines you signed up for (i have a spreadsheet that really helps)
- post upon arrival / after mailing
5. Other stuff I forgot
It could contain other or more detailed information, especially about dvd's and flac and shn etc... but it would be a single place to answer the questions that every new person asks when they stumble upon this "vining" environment. The important thing, though is that it shouldn't be a multi-page thing - just something Marye puts out & updates, if neccessary, where new people can be
Secondly, I have purposely mellowed and refuse to get uptight about the time it takes for vines to progress. By keeping a spreadsheet and updating it occasionally, I have a better feeling for when to expect things - some move at the rate of a week per person, others move much more quickly - but life happens - and sometimes people drop out unexpectedly - an arrest, a car accident, an illness - and then, don't you feel small for getting uptight about being impatient for some music, which is free to begin with?
For the most part, I think things have been working quite well here - and I will continue to put out shows I think people would enjoy.
As to the investigatory part - it's not that difficult, and I have enjoyed tracking down and spurring on stalled vines - many of which were stalled due to topics discussed above, or simply mis-understandings of how it all works. I say give communication a chance to work - most stalls are unintentional, although we've had the occasional few who needed to be removed from lists - but that doesn't mean they are bad people. We need patience and understanding - I've received a vine that was dead for 3 months before - and was grateful to get it. Anyway - that's my two cents.
i'd like to thank all of you tapers and planters, you truly keep the music alive. now i need to now something as i am new at this, how long does one wait for a reply from the next on the list before skipping to the next, 24hours..1 month?? i would not like to hold on to them too long as to deprive others the pleasure i'm getting ... hit it and pass it on : )
well, as a person who has a lot to offer...I'm somewhat cuatious and reluctant to offer seeds up until the community comes to understand some basic responsibility for executing vines...
maybe there should be a probationary period or something...many sites have these and it always comes down to a couple of flakes getting booted...sometimes there are sincere problems but mostly it comes down to carelessness...
I've been trading and taping since the early 90's ....I actually taped in the dead scene and via the net and through relix/dupree diamond periodicals... I got to know many "legendary" traders and tapers...I've got currently 750 shows approx of GD, and about 150 shows of non GD...which really isnt' that much...however, I've got more tied up in a divorce where I haven't been able to access nor determine if I will get the remainder of my music collection , commericial and non commericial back....cross some fingers and say some prayers for me...
I'm also a full time musician and enjoy various cooking and wines........
I'll leave on a quote that is infamous and true:
"there is nothing like a grateful dead concert..."
We must all be good tenders of the garden. We have been given some wonderful seeds, we all need to nuture this plot of earth. Sometimes you need to ask your friends or neighbors for help watering and and feeding your plants. There are lots of helpful neighbors here. A grate neighborhood for a garden. This garden is overall a bountiful delight of ripe and flavorful fruits, let's not let a few bad grapes spoil the whole vine.
Thanks stu for bringing this up, thanks marye for the advice, and thanks oroboros for the perspective and wise words.
I think that some viners do need to work on fullfilling their responsiblity with the Vineyard. The work can't get done on it's own and each person has responsiblities. If you have signed up and recieve a vine, post when it is in and out. Period. That is the expectation and each viner should do this regulary (seems to me that the newbies are about the best IMO).
Yes, mary, I agree with you that life does happen, but viners, please then inform the viners that are waiting down the line about the problems that you have, or send the vine on along and sign up again or even ask for someone to help. You may be shocked, people will help!
No one here wants to be the vine cops! But hey, the vines that are sent out are ALL of ours. Not just for the 'hit and run' viners who disappear. Please don't make us be the vine cops!
I have seen other sites where VINE KILLERS identities are posted and nothing is ever sent to them again (both their screen name and their name and home address are posted). I have been hopeful that wouldn't be neccessary here, but? What are you going to do when vines are sent, received, and never sent on 'down the line' (intentional dead referance for comic relief)...er....Down the vine. Down the vine, down the vine, going down the vine. .. I must stop myself..
Really, we can do better. And I think that if a vine dies, you can contact the person who seeded (the originator) the vine (ie. yamadog just reseeded the '71 vine after it disappeared) or ask someone further up the line, er vine (can't stop myself ...). Asking for a reseed is a good way to make sure the vine doesn't die.
Hey, all kidding aside, I believe that we viners have done a great job with this experiment in sharing and collaboration to all points in the USA and even reaching out the world (thanks to Bob). Really, it would be fun to count up how many shows we have shared and then how many viners have sent & received this great music. And that doesn't count how many times I have then shared the vineyards bounty with my friends (and they say thanks by the way!)
If we can't get together and solve this, that would be too bad. We have all gotten much richer with the vineyard, with music, but more importantly in fun connections with other deadhead/music lovers/adventurers. This is a great way to spread what the Dead has shared so freely with all of us over the years.
Lets water the vine! Vine on!