I think that some viners do need to work on fullfilling their responsiblity with the Vineyard. The work can't get done on it's own and each person has responsiblities. If you have signed up and recieve a vine, post when it is in and out. Period. That is the expectation and each viner should do this regulary (seems to me that the newbies are about the best IMO).
Yes, mary, I agree with you that life does happen, but viners, please then inform the viners that are waiting down the line about the problems that you have, or send the vine on along and sign up again or even ask for someone to help. You may be shocked, people will help!
No one here wants to be the vine cops! But hey, the vines that are sent out are ALL of ours. Not just for the 'hit and run' viners who disappear. Please don't make us be the vine cops!
I have seen other sites where VINE KILLERS identities are posted and nothing is ever sent to them again (both their screen name and their name and home address are posted). I have been hopeful that wouldn't be neccessary here, but? What are you going to do when vines are sent, received, and never sent on 'down the line' (intentional dead referance for comic relief)...er....Down the vine. Down the vine, down the vine, going down the vine. .. I must stop myself..
Really, we can do better. And I think that if a vine dies, you can contact the person who seeded (the originator) the vine (ie. yamadog just reseeded the '71 vine after it disappeared) or ask someone further up the line, er vine (can't stop myself ...). Asking for a reseed is a good way to make sure the vine doesn't die.
Hey, all kidding aside, I believe that we viners have done a great job with this experiment in sharing and collaboration to all points in the USA and even reaching out the world (thanks to Bob). Really, it would be fun to count up how many shows we have shared and then how many viners have sent & received this great music. And that doesn't count how many times I have then shared the vineyards bounty with my friends (and they say thanks by the way!)
If we can't get together and solve this, that would be too bad. We have all gotten much richer with the vineyard, with music, but more importantly in fun connections with other deadhead/music lovers/adventurers. This is a great way to spread what the Dead has shared so freely with all of us over the years.
Lets water the vine! Vine on!
On the one hand, this is a well known problem with vines, which is why (puts on mod hat)we enthusiastically disavowed all responsibility for their smooth running from the get-go(takes off mod hat). But there are lots of well known problems with online communities and that does not mean we want to be dealing with them every day, and so we have community standards etc.
It is a serious drag when vines wither, and worse when you're the one who's killing them off! People get upset for good reason.
That said, I don't think the problem is going to go away, and maybe it would be good to just collectively agree to get a little more outspoken a little faster when things seem to be bogged down, and get the restarting process going earlier. Because life does happen, and people who are here every day for months just up and vanish without a trace sometimes, and whatcha gonna do...
I have met some very nice folks here at Dead.net , way to many to mention ...I thank you all !! And from the start the vineyard has been nothing but fun for me and for my wife .. There has been some folks asking people to please follow protocal , nothing wrong with that ,, is there ? so as some get frustrated with the one`s who do not post , ect .. It is really bad that some people who are here almost everyday ,, like to sit on vines ,, there is at least 4 maybe 5 vines that have vanished at the hands of one person .. what is up with that ? It`s amazing how one or just a few people can spoil it for other people.. Come on now please have some consideration for others , and as i write this the words "are you kind" come to mind ..
My name Is Kevin I started going to shows when I was still in High School.... Did Dead tour straight from 90 til Jerry passed. ( well I did have a couple stints in Jail during those years). I have been called many names Hugz is what I go by now. I LIVE for the music always have always will.
I am 37 and live in NJ I have been to alot of shows and if I remember them ALL I would not have been there LOL Kevin
The excel spreadsheet mentioned includes all GD shows. It is derived from Setlists.net and may of course have some errors, but it seems to work so far. It has the following columns.
Date Venue City/State/County Official Release with material from show Deadnet Vine
I use it (with additional columns) to keep track of all the shows I have from trading and downloading. Its easy to adapt it to your own needs
If anyone wants a copy they are welcome to send me a PM with their email address and I will send it as an attachment
Yeah, I printed out a Vindex early on, it's my checklist!
I've been compiling a spreadsheet to make a chronological list of my GD "official" releases/perfomances with the venues, and cosmicbadger's spreadsheet looks like he's already done the work.
Thanks again, MitD
you might want to check out the Vindex topic, which is Badger's list of all the shows currently being vined.
...well, not really. Born in Louisville, grew up in Tennessee (the other screenname candidate was "Tennessee Mark"), Dylan/Dead in Philly was my first show (actually, that road trip *was* strange and terrible, but in a good way), got to see the Dead a few more times after that (including the Vegas '93 show where the guy was nearly struck by lightning about 50 feet behind me; went to all three shows and never saw Sting); saw Ratdog in Knoxville about 10 years ago and got to be the giver of miracle tickets (you should have seen that little hippy girl and her boyfriend's eyes - it was worth it); saw Phil&Friends w/Joan Osborne a couple of times a two years ago (awesome). Always envied the tapers and was ecstatic when I discovered Dick's Picks. Married, divorced, and back in Louisville, and counting the minutes until Dylan Daze starts next Friday - three shows in three cities in three days. Closest I'll ever get to following a tour.
Vining works for me on a whole lotta levels, but I'm starting to feel greedy since I've signed up on about twenty. I'll try to keep up. My lack of anything resembling a life should help me out there ;^)
If Cosmic Badger still has his GD spreadsheet I'd like a copy, it'll save me a lot of typing.
Glad to meet you folks!
Eulogy for Jerry Garcia By Robert Hunter
(Delivered August 13, 1995, The Jerry Garcia Memorial, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, California.)
Jerry, my friend, you've done it again, even in your silence the familiar pressure comes to bear, demanding I pull words from the air with only this morning and part of the afternoon to compose an ode worthy of one so particular about every turn of phrase, demanding it hit home in a thousand ways before making it his own, and this I can't do alone. Now that the singer is gone, where shall I go for the song?
Without your melody and taste to lend an attitude of grace a lyric is an orphan thing, a hive with neither honey's taste nor power to truly sting.
What choice have I but to dare and call your muse who thought to rest out of the thin blue air, that out of the field of shared time, a line or two might chance to shine --
As ever when we called, in hope if not in words, the muse descends.
How should she desert us now? Scars of battle n her brow, bedraggled feathers on her wings and yet she sings, she sings!
May she bear thee to thy rest, the ancient bower of flowers beyond the solitude of days, the tyranny of hours -- the wreath of shining laurel lie upon your shaggy head, bestowing power to play the lyre to legions of the dead.
If some part of that music is heard in deepest dream, or on some breeze of Summer a snatch of golden theme, we'll know you live inside us with love that never parts our good old Jack O' Diamonds become the King of Hearts.
I feel your silent laughter at sentiments so bold that dare to step across the line to tell what must be told, so I'll just say I love you which I never said before and let it go at that old friend, the rest you may ignore.
I am Ursa Minor. I am a devout fan of the grateful dead and other music. I've been taping since the mid 80's and went digital in 93. I like to vine out shows by the GD and other bands to procure this great music. I would like to get back into trading CDR and DVD video if anybody is interested. Currently, I have a grateful dead list and I am compiling a non grateful dead list as well. Please e-mail at Dead.net or my regular e-mail acct:
I wish that for just one time, You could stand inside my shoes, and for just that one moment, I could be you - Bob Dylan, Positively 4th St.