On the one hand, this is a well known problem with vines, which is why (puts on mod hat)we enthusiastically disavowed all responsibility for their smooth running from the get-go(takes off mod hat). But there are lots of well known problems with online communities and that does not mean we want to be dealing with them every day, and so we have community standards etc.
It is a serious drag when vines wither, and worse when you're the one who's killing them off! People get upset for good reason.
That said, I don't think the problem is going to go away, and maybe it would be good to just collectively agree to get a little more outspoken a little faster when things seem to be bogged down, and get the restarting process going earlier. Because life does happen, and people who are here every day for months just up and vanish without a trace sometimes, and whatcha gonna do...
I have met some very nice folks here at Dead.net , way to many to mention ...I thank you all !!
And from the start the vineyard has been nothing but fun for me and for my wife ..
There has been some folks asking people to please follow protocal , nothing wrong with that ,, is there ? so as some get frustrated with the one`s who do not post , ect ..
It is really bad that some people who are here almost everyday ,, like to sit on vines ,,
there is at least 4 maybe 5 vines that have vanished at the hands of one person ..
what is up with that ? It`s amazing how one or just a few people can spoil it for other people.. Come on now please have some consideration for others , and as i write this the words "are you kind" come to mind ..
My name Is Kevin I started going to shows when I was still in High School.... Did Dead tour straight from 90 til Jerry passed. ( well I did have a couple stints in Jail during those years). I have been called many names Hugz is what I go by now. I LIVE for the music always have always will.
I am 37 and live in NJ I have been to alot of shows and if I remember them ALL I would not have been there LOL
The excel spreadsheet mentioned includes all GD shows. It is derived from Setlists.net and may of course have some errors, but it seems to work so far.
It has the following columns.
Official Release with material from show
I use it (with additional columns) to keep track of all the shows I have from trading and downloading. Its easy to adapt it to your own needs
If anyone wants a copy they are welcome to send me a PM with their email address and I will send it as an attachment
Yeah, I printed out a Vindex early on, it's my checklist!
I've been compiling a spreadsheet to make a chronological list of my GD "official" releases/perfomances with the venues, and cosmicbadger's spreadsheet looks like he's already done the work.
you might want to check out the Vindex topic, which is Badger's list of all the shows currently being vined.
...well, not really. Born in Louisville, grew up in Tennessee (the other screenname candidate was "Tennessee Mark"), Dylan/Dead in Philly was my first show (actually, that road trip *was* strange and terrible, but in a good way), got to see the Dead a few more times after that (including the Vegas '93 show where the guy was nearly struck by lightning about 50 feet behind me; went to all three shows and never saw Sting); saw Ratdog in Knoxville about 10 years ago and got to be the giver of miracle tickets (you should have seen that little hippy girl and her boyfriend's eyes - it was worth it); saw Phil&Friends w/Joan Osborne a couple of times a two years ago (awesome). Always envied the tapers and was ecstatic when I discovered Dick's Picks. Married, divorced, and back in Louisville, and counting the minutes until Dylan Daze starts next Friday - three shows in three cities in three days. Closest I'll ever get to following a tour.
Vining works for me on a whole lotta levels, but I'm starting to feel greedy since I've signed up on about twenty. I'll try to keep up. My lack of anything resembling a life should help me out there ;^)
If Cosmic Badger still has his GD spreadsheet I'd like a copy, it'll save me a lot of typing.
Glad to meet you folks!
Eulogy for Jerry Garcia By Robert Hunter
(Delivered August 13, 1995, The Jerry Garcia Memorial, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, California.)
Jerry, my friend,
you've done it again,
even in your silence
the familiar pressure
comes to bear, demanding
I pull words from the air
with only this morning
and part of the afternoon
to compose an ode worthy
of one so particular
about every turn of phrase,
demanding it hit home
in a thousand ways
before making it his own,
and this I can't do alone.
Now that the singer is gone,
where shall I go for the song?
Without your melody and taste
to lend an attitude of grace
a lyric is an orphan thing,
a hive with neither honey's taste
nor power to truly sting.
What choice have I but to dare and
call your muse who thought to rest
out of the thin blue air,
that out of the field of shared time,
a line or two might chance to shine --
As ever when we called,
in hope if not in words,
the muse descends.
How should she desert us now?
Scars of battle n her brow,
bedraggled feathers on her wings
and yet she sings, she sings!
May she bear thee to thy rest,
the ancient bower of flowers
beyond the solitude of days,
the tyranny of hours --
the wreath of shining laurel lie
upon your shaggy head,
bestowing power to play the lyre
to legions of the dead.
If some part of that music
is heard in deepest dream,
or on some breeze of Summer
a snatch of golden theme,
we'll know you live inside us
with love that never parts
our good old Jack O' Diamonds
become the King of Hearts.
I feel your silent laughter
at sentiments so bold
that dare to step across the line
to tell what must be told,
so I'll just say I love you
which I never said before
and let it go at that old friend,
the rest you may ignore.
I am Ursa Minor. I am a devout fan of the grateful dead and other music. I've been taping since the mid 80's and went digital in 93. I like to vine out shows by the GD and other bands to procure this great music. I would like to get back into trading CDR and DVD video if anybody is interested. Currently, I have a grateful dead list and I am compiling a non grateful dead list as well. Please e-mail at Dead.net or my regular e-mail acct:
I wish that for just one time, You could stand inside my shoes, and for just that one moment, I could be you - Bob Dylan, Positively 4th St.
Thank you very much !!