Mother Earth Topic

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Posted: May 25, 2009 - 2:59pm

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 suggested by Stuman: How about a forum deadicated just to our Mother Earth ? A place where we can talk specificly about recycling tips, reusing of what we can`t recycle and reducing waste. And other enviromental issues. I'm actually surprised we don't have something like this. Greenpeace and other groups have always been around the shows (at least the shows I remember) . And the GD has been into saving the rainforest and saving our Mother Earth. So lets talk about it here. Earth Day should be every day!! what do you all think abt it?


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recycle and compost

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http://www.loosefillpackaging.com/

if nothing else, these kind folks maybe able to steer you in the right direction for a local solution,

or, as gypsy cowgirl suggests, tryyour local mailboxes etc. or such place for recycling those packing peanuts

or call the

The Peanut Hotline:

1-800-828-2214

(tell them cc joe said to call)

AND, I will say two more things while I'm on my bio-degradable soapbox:

lots of folks recycle glass, newspapers, plastic and such, but it is also important to recycle your food waste, egg shells, veggie scraps and fruit peels, coffee grinds, etc. etc. etc.

http://compostinstructions.com/

as easy as 3.14

finally, the whole techno 'puter biz has created a landmine of landfill problems, check this site out for the recycling of computer stuff:

http://www.computerhope.com/disposal.htm

a lot of computer garbage ends up in the third world, and poor people 'mining the waste in search of the valuable metals in the chips or where ever. problem is, they use their one main cooking pot to melt them down, after that, they use the same pot to cook dinner. thereby poisening themselves in the long run. very sad but true.

peace.

another useful resource

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is Freecycle, which has local lists in cities all over the place. I have both given and gotten a lot of very useful stuff.

we compost

we compost everything we can , we break up the used eggshells into small peices , add the used coffee grounds and we shread all the junk mail to add to the compost. evern toilet paper rolls get re-used as either compost or we use them as starter planters for seedling plants.

Thank you Marye ! And nice post cc ! We only have one Mother Earth !

A Trash Saga

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Here in Germany, I seem to spend a whole lot of time sorting trash. Plastic drink bottles (cola, water, o.j. etc) have a deposit on them, and are brought back to the store. Glass bottles have to be carried away to collection dumpsters, and then sorted according to color. Corks and batteries are collected in shops. Small electrical appliances have to be brought to an electronics shop. For "big trash" ie furniture, I have to fill out a form, list all that I want to dispose of, and then am given a date for when the things will be picked up; am allowed to do this twice a year. At home I have 3 different trash cans, all of which cost quite a bit per year. The brown one is for biodegradable things, and is picked up every two weeks in winter, and once a week in summer. In summer, this can is annoying, cuz the flies love it. Then there is the green one, that is for paper and cardboard. Is picked up once a month. Plastic and tin goes in sacks, which are picked up once a month. "Old metal" ie:bicycles, bed frames, etc. are collected every few months, by a wagon driven down the street by a guy ringing a bell to announce his arrival. Christmas trees are picked up by the village volunteer fire department every January; and shoes and old clothes periodically by the Salvation Army. When we needed diapers here, we took the dirty ones to the very stinky diaper recycling facility, every Saturday morning, on the way to the grocery store (with the car full of the empty drink bottles, any corks had collected, and batteries that had recently died).

Sometimes I wonder how much water this trash collecting process wastes (have to rinse out plastic food boxes and tins to be able to stand having them sit around in sacks at home for a month). Sometimes I am annoyed to have to separate packaging-plastic from cardboard, etc. And it was no fun to have smelly diapers around the house for a week, nor is the fly epidemic around the bio-trash any big thrill. Means that flyswatters a necessity in every room of the house. BUT, in the end is all worth it, I hope.
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Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
Mark Twain

my greening efforts

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I work at a hotel and we are constantly printing out reports, reg cards, memos, travel itinerarys well we use way to much paper. So i started recycling as much of this as possible, i didn't ask anyone else to (because i don't believe in forceing my ideals on others) after people saw me digging in the trash pulling out all this paper and anything esle i could find to recycle they started putting paper and what not aside for me to recycle.....It's not that easy for me to recycle ...i live in a rural area there is no trash pick up... i take all our trash to the dump sort through it.... they do some recycling at the dump...and of course we have a compost pile for our garden...it just feels good trying to be part of the solution not the problem

Lilly

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Lilly,
I hear you on the complicated re-cycle programs that exist in much of the Euro zone and in other countries... as far as rinsing goes, why not fill up a basin of water, and then you are re-using the same water to rinse the stuff out... like we do when we wash dishes, a basin full of warm soapy water, then a rinse of clean water at the very end -- like the nuns taught me to do as a kid, so as not to waste water, and would slap my wrist with a ruler if I turned the tap on prematurely and wasted even one DROP...

the nuns would sing:

'Every drop is sacred.
Every drop is great.
If a drop is wasted,
God gets quite irate.'

(well, something like that anyways...)
( -;

all in all, i think the benefits of keeping that metal crap out of land fills outweighs any waste of water. if batteries and iron and so on and so on, get into an unsealed land fill, or even a so called 'sealed' landfill, rather than being re-cycled, (even though it has to be rinsed,, I know what you are commenting about) if the rusty shit which ends up in the underground water sources, aquafiers and such, we may lose precious sources of fresh water, which once poisened may never recover... or cause people / animals to get serious diseases or poisened.

if you have cans and such, big zip-lock bags (I mean the really huge ones) can be used to prevent odours from escaping. or in a plastic garbage bag that you seal up...

a recycle center only for diapers! cool!!!

keep in mind, YOUR baby's poop smells like roses, don't it???

one other story of re-cycleing, and how WE are everywhere... back a number of years ago, a buddy of mine was living on Oahu, Hawaii... anyways, long before it became 'fashionable' or law he was heavy into re-cycling EVERYTHING... so we were up toward the north shore, in some of the older 'off the grid' zones, and he always had crates and crates full of glass and cans in the back of his car... we pass some church he knew of, that was collecting bottles because in those days you could actually get money from them, and the church was doing that to raise funds for whatever or what.

so it was mid week, and the place was pretty quiet, we pull up, unload a TON of stuff. a local dude comes rushing out as we were finishing up, and asks, "hey, you guys didn't put any 'trash' in there did you?" my buddy looks at him, and says 'of course not'
the local dude looks down at the bumper of my friends car which had a steal your face or something GD sticker on it... then he says,
'oh hey, I'm sorry, I didn't see you were one of the good guys, we get a lot of people who just dump their house hold garbage here' turns out, that dude was the parish priest, and yes, though not a total deadhead, but i do remmber he commented, that American Beauty was a fine album...

the effort is worth the recycle hassles you may have to endure. and as noonie pointed out, it does feel good to be part of the solution, don't it??

peace.

Joe

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Thanks for the rinsing tips. Are no ziplock bags here, but guess could double-bag the plastic and tin trash sacks.

What is ultra cool bout all this mandatory trash sorting here (forgot to mention that sacks and bins that are not properly sorted are not picked up at all) is that my kids know no other trash life. When they stay with their Aunt in France, they are outraged at how she was just dumping everything together, and they have pestered her half to death until she started to compost, and sort out at least glass and paper to recycle. As CSNY said "Teach your children well", eh?
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Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
Mark Twain

The Recycle Song -- Every Scrap is Sacred

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There are rappers in the world.
There are disco kids.
There are punks and then
There are those that follow MC Hammer but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a deadhead Recycler,
And have been since I was born,
And the one thing they say about deadheads is:
They'll accept you if you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on.
You're A deadhead recycler the moment you came

Because

Every scrap is sacred.
Every can is great.
If a bottle is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every scrap is sacred.
Every egg shell is great.
If a re-usable item is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each bottle that can't be found.

Every bottle is wanted.
Every can is good.
Every effort is needed
In your neighbourhood.

jerks, fools, mooks,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
re-cycleables with more care.

Every egg shell is sacred.
Every piece is great.

If a scrap is wasted,...

...God gets quite irate.

Every scrap is sacred.

Every effort is good.

Every effort is needed...

...In your neighbourhood!

Every effort is useful.
Every effort is fine.
God needs everybody's efforts...
Let the wankers spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.

God shall strike them down for
Each drop that's spilt in vain.

Every scrap is sacred.
Every can is good.
Every effort is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every drop is sacred.
Every scrap is great.
If a bottle is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

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(humble apologies to Michael Palin and Terry Jones, please forgive me, mates for taking unprecedented liberties)

peace.

we use rain barrels

To re-use all the rain water , we use the empty 2 liter soda bottles and plastic milk containers to store the water for later use of watering the gardens . As some of you know I work as a mechanic and all the scrap metal like brake rotors ect. I hold on to and later take it all to one of the local recycling centers where it gets melted down and re-used . plus I do get a few $ for the scap . but i don`t do this for the $ it`s just a little bonus .they don`t pay much.
the sheaded paper besides going into the compost, we also use it as cat litter and bedding for our dogs when it gets cold here. the news paper can also be used to place under raised garden beds to help with the weed control. (of course before we build the raised beds)

noonie, glad to hear that ! It`s amazing what just one person can do , and other people follow.
that really helps to spread the word . keep up the kind work.

Polyethylenetriphosphate ***WARNING***

Please don't think that I'm being disrespectful by posting a comment AGAINST the use or re-use of plastic containers. Re-cycling is fine but we all must lobby to end the manufacture and use of this dangerous substance. Polyethylenetriphosphate (or PET) is the most common plastic used for drinking containers of all varieties of beverage, along with Bisphenol-A, and has been found to have some devastating and possibly irreversible effects on our environment, ourselves, and our children.

The question first arose in Mexico when doctors there started to see that females were developing breasts at a younger and younger age. Here in America the problem was under consideration as well. There was a myth that persisted that it could possibly be milk, attributed to the BGH (Bovine-Growth Hormone) that farmers were giving their cows to produce more milk. This has still not been ruled out as a contributing factor yet it has been found that PET has a greater effect than first thought.

Scientists studying male fish in the Hudson river near NYC found that these fish were not producing sperm....but EGGS. They were tested and found to have very high levels of PET. Polyethylenetriphosphate MIMICS the FEMALE HORMONE ESTROGEN. Between production and retail sale your containers of beverage be it water, soda, or juice...get heated and cooled in storage and transportation a number of times before it is purchased...this leads to leaching of PET into the product....some beverages tested contain enough PET to be equivalent to 1 dose of a birth control pill.

There are a number of psychological and physiological effects that PET has been known to have on humans. Mimicing the female hormone estrogen, it has had a marked effect on the regulated normal growth of our children. Young girls have been starting puberty at the age of 8 and 9 in some instances and finishing at 14 to 16, in boys, it retards the pubescent period and boys have been starting at 13 and 14 and finishing much later than usual, creating an unusual and awkward balance between boys and girls. PET has been known to make girls and women MORE AGGRESSIVE and motivated while having the reverse effect on boys and men....unmotivated and somewhat effeminate. PET has also been linked with ADHD, causing a diagnoses that includes a lifetime of problems and horrible pharmaceutical medications. 50 years ago mankind did not have the number and prevalence of the types of cancer that we have today...plastics have been increasingly manufactured for the past fifty years.

Some companies a very aware that this situation has been increasingly reaching epidemic proportions although it is rarely reported in the mainstream media and some are preparing for a solution. Two companies right now are developing a corn or corn-syrup based product that is fully biodegradable....tossing it on the ground would result in it completely dissolving with no harmful effects to the environment or humans.

For more information about PET and what is causing underachieving and unmotivated boys and men check out Dr. Leonard Sax and his book Boys Adrift.

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