Grateful Dead

Mother Earth Topic

picture a bright blue ball...

 suggested by Stuman: How about a forum deadicated just to our Mother Earth ? A place where we can talk specificly about recycling tips, reusing of what we can`t recycle and reducing waste. And other enviromental issues. I'm actually surprised we don't have something like this. Greenpeace and other groups have always been around the shows (at least the shows I remember) . And the GD has been into saving the rainforest and saving our Mother Earth. So lets talk about it here. Earth Day should be every day!! what do you all think abt it?

Comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
lamagonzo (not verified)
Fed. US Gas Tax...

...is 5 cents per gallons. It's sacred cow. Of course states add their own on to that. The govt. in the US could decrease the dependence on oil the same way they've reduced the dependence on nicotine -- tax it so much use goes down.

It was interesting to hear how France & Canada are projecting environmental policy. And absolutely right when you say "At least not as bad as the US".

America's reaction to the Gulf oil spill is so typical: Obama wants to keep his boot on the neck of BP until they do what they must. Meanwhile, this is depressing as hell to people all over the US, not just in the Southeast. At least people are contributing what they can to the clean-up

If BP blows up the pipe with the "mud & golf balls scheme then it is projected that the leakage will significantly increase.

krs10's picture
Offline
Joined: Mar 25 2009
Baby steps, indeed.

Just seems like time to evolve and get in the race because the destruction is happening at jet-speed. I know that a holistic approach is the sound one. Been holding down and improving our sustainable living practices on a family scale for years now. Encouraging our community to do the same and making it easier for people to change their lifestyles. It just doesn't help to have big business vying agressively for the consumer dollar when consumers will pick what's easiest. I hope that there is an oil crisis to make it difficult and expensive for people to operate their vehicles. Then this fuel will be respected at its true value and not overused. Peoples' habits will change then.

It does take a long time for governments to catch up and often they regress. I don't mind paying taxes as long as they are well-spent, which I have little faith that they are. In Canada we have the mantra "at least it's not like in the U.S.". If we compared our reduction of greenhouse gas initiatives with European models instead, we wouldn't look so good. Though I'm sorry to hear that France is caught in a constricted pattern right now with regards to legislation on farming, pesticides, etc. What happened to LIBERTE? C'est dommage, ka.

ka.swan (not verified)
bio stuff

In France , govt wants to outlaw alternative oil recycling for cars/trucks under the pressure of oil companies , the only monopole entitled to make money on this market . 80% of what we pay when buying a gallon of gasoline is made of taxes, which is why we pay 5 dollars a gallon ! Govt also wants to outlaw nettles tu use as an natural insecticide, under the pressure of chemical companies pouring toxic brews on lands and foods . Govt outlaws the selling of natural seeds from Kokopelly , who has the most interesting bio diversity collection for vegetables . In France , only 3% of cultivated lands are into organic growing ! why ? because agri-business pressured govt so none others than chemical agri-business could get subventions . In result , with 22% of people into organic foods , we have to import most of our bio foods from other countries . Here the govt is now for electric cars as only alternative because that would entitle the construtions of more nuclear plants that most of the people do not want ! A real agricultor here , who wants to make a decent living growing organic foods better first inherit lands from his parents , have money to start his farm investments , otherwise all sort of govt buggers will stall him and force him to do only chemical agri-business , with huge debts for big farm engines to pay , and if he doesn't commit suicide (as do about 60 of our small farmers each year) , he'll never get out of outright poverty level income . That's how it is in France , these days ! oh , i forgot to add , that everything is taxed 20% too , from the toothbrush you buy to the busfare or a new car, and you'll get taxed 150 dollars a year just to have a tv in your house even if you hardly watch anything because most of it is propaganda for dimwits who never read a book and never question the tv formating of their brains . A brave new world , indeed ! How many people will drive their cars , take airplanes , drink alcohol , eat meat , watch a sportgame that took an airplane to bring the players , this weed-end ? Is that the world "cultural" pastimes we next want to incite chinese and hindians , to be "modern ", when 3 billions more will do the same ?

Alaskahead's picture
Offline
Joined: Jan 5 2009
Backwards Thinking

krs10, it's baby steps that work, it doesn't come all at once. I have a car, but use a bike to all my errands and shopping. The car takes my daughter to see her Mom and us to see music. Eventually the Govt will catch up to our needs and help out with tax breaks and or subsidies, but we have to change our needs before they'll react. I never practiced Buddhism officially, but I'm drawn to the idea of how our small acts make a huge ripple. I'm nearly 60 and things have changed a lot since '69, but at the time things sure looked dismal. Heads change first, then comes action.

krs10's picture
Offline
Joined: Mar 25 2009
Backwards thinking

I love the comments. Proactive is key here. I try to do my part by biking to work. For years now it's been a choice between job security and keeping small my live-work-shop "triangle". I choose the latter. The benefits are great. Everything's close and the community is tight-knit.

My partner and our friends drive diesel vws and old benz so they can run them on veg oil. Our friend Mark Eber had a business collecting fry oil from restaurants and filtering and putting the oil through a catalyst to create biodiesel. 80% less emissions than regular diesel, can be mixed in any proportion with regular diesel and no engine conversion required. He managed and ran the whole business and it was hard to meet the demand of the minimum it would take to break even. Frustrating that HE never qualified for a subsidy as small grassroots initiatives don't fit in governement funding brackets. That's why we see big business deals with alternative energy providers. Not enough faith in the range of community projects. Too tricky to account for all the subsidies and the paperwork must be enormous. It pisses me off that our government in Canada does not have the guts to help out entrepreneurs like my friend who's had to change his line of work. Federal government are not promoting recycled biodiesel but the subsidies to oil and gas are HUGE MONEY. Tar Sands are our version of an oil & gas environmental disaster and a national disgrace. What is wrong with this picture??

lamagonzo (not verified)
Amen Alaskahead!

Couldn't have said it better!

Alaskahead's picture
Offline
Joined: Jan 5 2009
free our minds.

The history of humanity is one of economic advantage through exploitation of one people over another, either through their labor or resources. What empire became "great" without enslaving an already existing culture? How many instances are there of mankind completely changing Earth's landscape for it's own purpose? Outright slavery eventually became morally unacceptable in "civilized" countries, yet exploitation of people still builds "wealth" for many. There are now many voices advocating softer impacts on Earth and her resources, yet we allow ourselves to be exploited to need oil. The way I see it, it's up to us to free our minds from seeing other people as "other", free our minds from seeing Earth as a resource and not our nest. Until we do we'll collectively allow others to be seen as "them" and not ourselves, and the Earth as a commodity and not a home. Until our minds are free enough, we'll allow harm through exploitation to occur, we'll continue to be serfs to the lords of the manor.

Gr8fulTed's picture
Offline
Joined: Jul 9 2007
Never-ending nightmare

Frustration isn't a strong enough feeling to express the continuing disappointment of the trashing of the gulf and delta waters, the numerous wildlife species, and the interactive diversity of our coastal marshes. Check out this seemingly simplistic approach to attacking surface pollution:

http://www.wimp.com/solutionoil/

lamagonzo (not verified)
Anger on the Gulf Coast

The shrimpers to the Audubon Society are getting pretty mad along the Gulf Coast as another 90,000 (best estimate to date) barrels of oil engorge the greatest man-made disaster in US history -- though it is debatable if nuking ourselves in the desert in the 40s-50s to test brought more harm.

These people have had it for a whole month now. A lot of good Christians are asking themselves why God is putting them through such tribulations. Where the anger goes is an open question. BP can throw all the money it wants at the problem and the fix is now years down the road. If Lake Ponchetrain gets fouled there is no telling how long.

The slick is feeding into the Gulf current that will bring it through the keys and eventually up as far as Hatteras. Mud and golf balls are going into the pipe next to plug it up.

Does BP really know what it's doing?

lamagonzo (not verified)
Rogue Oil Companies...

...are far more dangerous than waves.

Another 140,000 gallons of oil spilled into the Gulf in the last 48 hours.

I have to say that this physically hurts me in a visceral way. I feel like if this can happen off the US Coast (and what poetic justice) then there is absolutely no way to prevent it again as it goes on ad nauseum around the globe, particularly in places like Lagos and Luanda.

I think I need to get up to Montana this summer and just camp out in wilderness. It doesn't make the problems go away but it sure does wonders for the spirit.

Comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Mother Earth Topic