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 suggested by Stuman: How about a forum deadicated just to our Mother Earth ? A place where we can talk specificly about recycling tips, reusing of what we can`t recycle and reducing waste. And other enviromental issues. I'm actually surprised we don't have something like this. Greenpeace and other groups have always been around the shows (at least the shows I remember) . And the GD has been into saving the rainforest and saving our Mother Earth. So lets talk about it here. Earth Day should be every day!! what do you all think abt it?

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I made my peace........

........with the snails and slugs along time ago. It was win/win. Everything that grows around here now coexists with the rest of us. I'm coastal with ferns, poppies, fuchais, geraniums and the most beautiful little mounds of natural growing beach grasses. For some reason (old conditioning, I guess) I still remove dandelions. It's a lot of work but i just carry the tool around to pull them when I am down handcutting grass. I read recently that if you spray them with vinegar (white) it kills them. It does but it is kind of sick to see how quickly they die. Are dandelion leaves edible? I've been around as long as The Boys and it's getting more difficult crawling around. Of course if I lose the dayjob (not too shabby) I'll be back harvesting my dandelions if they are edible. One thing for sure, you will never see me buying weed & feed or at Wal-mart.

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yeah, that too

I use the hand sanitizer gel (which is, essentially, alcohol) by the quart; I figure any adaptation to alcohol took place a long time ago. Antibiotics, last resort. Can't recall the last time any of us had any. (Also there appear to be fads in this regard. About 15 years ago they suddenly decided that all us people with heart murmurs had to take antibiotics before and after dental work. Last time I talked to my doctor en route to the dentist, that was out of fashion.)

The hand sanitizer gel is a big boon, though, especially for dog people, And here in California where they're always on our case to save water...

Tradeoffs, always tradeoffs, just like you said.

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Use and toss

Makes me insane. With the swine flu scare, all-of-a-sudden my local market has a handwipe dispenser as you enter the store. Saturday I walked in and saw my wife wiping her hands with one, then wiping off the handle to the grocery cart...and then tossed it out. She got points for using it twice (hands, handle) instead of using two, but still. I nagged a little, she gave me one of those looks.

I'm all for hygiene, but this makes me nuts. Of course, I'm also paranoid that widespread use of antimicrobials is breeding superbugs, but that's a different subject.

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on the other hand

this is the kind of thing that makes you crazy.

Those who know me will attest that dog hair is in lavish supply in my world, and that much of it winds up on inappropriate surfaces. So, prompted by some ad somewhere, I went forth today to acquire the Pledge Fabric Sweeper for Pet Hair.

Let me just say that it works in very impressive fashion, though given the number of engineers I hang out with I'm already finding fault with the design--I can see no reason other than general cheapness to have semicircular rollers rather than full rollers.

But that's not the bad part. The bad part is that they are very firm on the subject that one must not attempt to disassemble the device or empty the container. That's right, you're just supposed to toss it, PET plastic, dog hair and all, and spend five bucks on another one.

Leaving aside the fact that this idea is a complete nonstarter due to the fact that I got the thing filled within minutes, hence it would cost a small fortune for the car alone, it seems REALLY ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to use the disposable model for something like this. They're comparing it to sticky rollers. Uh, no, it's a mini carpet sweeper, essentially. Bad choice of metaphor leading to bad design.

SC Johnson seems to me to be a pretty benign company as large megacorps go (staying in the family for generations is a plus in my book), but this is so inexplicable that I'm going to write 'em a letter.

And then I'm going to cut a hole in the top of the dome and empty out the dog hair, and see what happens.

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well

I certainly agree with you that there are self-serving twits and worse on all sides of this issue, and that critical thinking is good. I read a really great article not long ago in which Freeman Dyson, who's certainly one of the brightest and most conscientious souls on the planet, makes a pretty good case that man-made global warming is, if not a non-issue, pretty close. If anyone cares I'll dig out the url.

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thanks but

don`t we have a forum for politics ? take it up with obama. I know he`s full of crap but thats another place . please .

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Something new to think about Post Script

After reviewing my post I believe that I really didn't get to the crux of the issue that I was trying to present.

It's really great that we promulgate the effort to become more environmentally conscious and offer tips here that may help us all live better lives in accordance with the rhythms of this planet. But I am finding that the finger pointing and brow raising that occurs on both sides of the fence...those that do try to live environmentally friendly..and those that do not...is exactly what the establishment wants...all the while keeping the heat off of them. There is even a think tank that churns out propaganda that promotes the idea that the whole concept of a "they" is really "us"-which is at best mildly true. There is a "they"...and it includes every government in the world. "It" or "they" are the giant corporations and governments of the world that have been given by supreme court decree the status of "person". Look in any websters dictionary and look at the definition of "person"- it includes a corporation...which in the legal world gives a corporation rights that previously only a human being had- the only problem with that is that a corporation has so many heads that none knows what the other is doing- and it becomes a BEAST out of control- with NO CARING for individuals. There are serious implications for this.
So my point is is that we all must become aware that yes...we should do our part...but we must also shift the focus on the real perpetrators and the real source of the worlds major pollutants.

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Something new to think about

I understand that this forum MAY be about environmental efforts that each of us, as individuals, can take to "save our mother Earth". I cannot discredit this effort because it is so very important that each of us are instilled with a respect that we must not litter, try and use more environmentally friendly sources of energy, and use less so that there is some for others. But I learned a few things in an environmental science study that I think coud be helpful to some people reading this post. For one thing, the earth is not in danger. I know some of you will disagree but understood a certain way will make things much clearer. The Earth WILL go on, WE...MAY NOT. No matter how we fuck up this planet she will always survive...unless there is a huge cataclysmic upheaval in the solar system...she's gonna be here...and she will heal, but she may have to get rid of a few parasites to do it. It's all in the scale of time. She may be polluted for a time...but she'll heal.

If humans are to survive that's a whole nother story. We are going to have to get used to smaller and smaller spaces, because population growth IS a major concern for some real "big thinkers"-the only problem there is they want to get rid of half of us instead of sharing. The rise in the cost of goods and services are a direct response, or mode of conditioning, of this concern. Another thing I have learned is that this planet has enough resources to take care of this population explosion, contrary to some scientific debate, and believe it or not, Gaia, will regulate her population according to her "energy" needs...through every natural disaster imaginable. The Eugenics movement is a hoax perpetrated by the greedy.

Global warming: Look out folks...cuz you been played. Personally, my opinions are still up in the air about whether or not the planet will warm to uninhabitable levels according to the level of pollution by humanity...because of the obfuscation and confusion in the scientific world. It could still go either way. But there are two major points to consider:

About 30,000 years ago almost half this planet was covered by ice, and it has taken this long for it to melt....it's simply a natural occurrance..and she has had MANY, many cycles of this...one would think that of course the planet will get a little warmer...not necessarily by our doings. This of course presents us with problems that WE'LL have to deal with, but it doesn't necessarily mean that WE are doing it. There is debate as to whether or not this is actually precursor to ANOTHER ice age...the cycle begins again.

As for this whole thing about how our politicians have taken up the yolk about Global Warming...do some research as to the companies that are going to profit from the hysteria...look into Al Gores holdings. Check out what "they" have in store for Carbon Emissions Taxing...and you'll start to realize it's all a con game to get deeper into our lives and our pockets. Especially when you come to realize that it's not the little guys that are polluting our environment....which MAY come to fruition as a clear and present danger to our environment...that it is the Military-Industrial Complex that cranks out all these major pollutants...the rockets, the jets and airplanes, the tanks, the clear cutting of industry, the plastics and oil industry manufacture and run-off, industrial farming, and on and on and on. YET THEY STILL BLAME THE LITTLE GUYS...and now they're even going to TAX US MORE FOR IT. It's all MACHIAVELLIAN tactics in practice...create the problem and offer the solution. There are even well known documents that implicate govermental agencies that have infiltrated "green" groups for years to get us all on the bandwagon.

Free will equals free thought...so lets think about it.
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very nice

To learn some things I did`nt know about PET . Thank you guy`s very much !

As far as composting paper , we primarilly use the paper that has minimal color ink on it ,
the paper that don`t go into compost we use for the pet bedding and here where we live
our house is on a slope so we use the paper along with shreded leaves for erosion control.
As of this past year we do not buy eggs that are in the styrofoam containers, only the ones in
cardboard containers (those brown eggs taste better too) and then we use the empty
containers for plant starter pots in our greenhouse .
If someone knows more about the ink thing plaese share the imfo with us.

" we`v only got one we got to ride on it "

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what TL said

well done, you guys.

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