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sam and stuman

cut it out. I am nuking the preceding posts and returning this topic to people talking about their jobs. I do not want to block you, but the last half dozen posts at least are seriously out of line. Just stop. Thank you.

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Thanks for the love

eltoro, I knew I'd get some here on this site. As it should be Tigerlilly, I guess the "land of the free" ain't as free as some think. I remember when I was 17, in the long, long ago, before drug test, when you could get a job based on your qualifications, instead of the way it is now. Ah, memories, we shall enjoy them.
Actually, I'm kinda excited about working again, being retired is kind of a drag.
Peace, everyone

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Job Drug tests in Germany

are unconstitutional and illegal, thank goodness. If someone has a problem with substance abuse that affects their job, it is dealt with by the employer, WHEN and IF such work disruption occurs. It is not considered to be the employer's business what employees do with their free time.
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nannerpuss don`t smoke

nannerpuss eats pancakes ! nannerpuss loves pancakes ! yummy yummy pancakes !

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23 months of observation ?

ok unklesam, well that explains a lot . your a bitter 17 old working at Mc Donalds.
keep flipin burgers and I`ll keep my secruity clearence and enjoy watchin the bank acct. grow.
best wishes to ya kid .

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Whoa horse!

I have to hop off this merry-go-round .You all make valid points,some more clearly than others.
Best wishes landing that job unkle sam....

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Thanks Marye

I've been off site for a while and wasn't here to help Marye defend my post ie "say no to drug tests"
First off, I want to appoligize for offending Stuman, gee Stu, I didn't say YOU were lame, slow etc... and thank the stars there are some drug free workers out there who are not lame, slow, uninformed.
What I was referring to is that there are quality drivers, mechanics and even astrophysics who smoke but can't get a job due to drugtests. And even the best drug free mechanic can forget to tighten a bolt.
I, personally, don't even consider pot smokers as "drug users", I wouldn't want a "drug user" to fix my car, but pot smokers, that's another story. Pot smokers aren't gonna rob you for a joint. I think lumping these two together is where the entire "misinformation" begins. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
Stu, pot smokers do deliver cd's and dvd's, and most rodies I've ever known were smokers.
I realize by rereading your many posts on this subject that you got p/oed, but you are very critical of smokers and completely closed minded about it. And, please tell me what is NORMAL?
I agree with Marye and thank you for clarifying what my point was, you must know someone in the same boat who could not get a job due to non conformity, what I or anyone does off the job is no one's business and should not have anything to do with job performance PERIOD, if I screw up, then do what you must and I will accept the consequences, but to judge me, even before I have been hired, is insane, closed minded, and "slow, lame and misinformed"
Marye said it best, it is these workplaces and limited education that is in question. Who wants to work for (or with) a bunch of mindless conformists?
It is these companies that hire the "clean and sober" even if "slow and ill informed" just because they don't partake over the sometimes better, more qualified smoker that I am referring to. This is a personal observation that I have witnessed in the past 23 months.
Once again, thank you Marye for being the voice of reason on this site, and Stu, keep on truckin on that straight and narrow road.
Peace

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I Fish

I'm a semi-retired tyedied MBA and I spend most of my time doing stuff related to fresh water fishing.

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no, and I didn't say I felt that way about people who don't

smoke pot. A group that includes many of my good friends, a lot of musicians whose work I like, etc. etc. I also heartily salute those who decide a particular substance is not their friend and commit to staying away from it.

The subject at hand with that description was the qualities of companies that required drug tests as a condition of employment. While those terms may be a bit over the top, I do think a company that makes a point of its drug-free workplace is probably going to be into mindless conformity and unquestioned authority on other fronts. It's the unquestioned intrusive authoritarianism I've got the issue with, and not just with regard to drugs.

Also I think what you do off the clock is your own business, but that is a can of worms for another day. A writer at the Chronicle famously got fired for marching in a peace demonstration one time, because journalists aren't supposed to do that stuff. And so it goes.

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thanks for the blessings marye

but do you really feel this way about people who don`t smoke pot ?

lame, slow, uninformed, no passion for their work

On February 24th, 2010 marye said:
and also a stunning lack of critical thinking skills and horror of people who display any.

thats a pretty vicious attack against people who choose to be clean.

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