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no, and I didn't say I felt that way about people who don't

smoke pot. A group that includes many of my good friends, a lot of musicians whose work I like, etc. etc. I also heartily salute those who decide a particular substance is not their friend and commit to staying away from it.

The subject at hand with that description was the qualities of companies that required drug tests as a condition of employment. While those terms may be a bit over the top, I do think a company that makes a point of its drug-free workplace is probably going to be into mindless conformity and unquestioned authority on other fronts. It's the unquestioned intrusive authoritarianism I've got the issue with, and not just with regard to drugs.

Also I think what you do off the clock is your own business, but that is a can of worms for another day. A writer at the Chronicle famously got fired for marching in a peace demonstration one time, because journalists aren't supposed to do that stuff. And so it goes.

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thanks for the blessings marye

but do you really feel this way about people who don`t smoke pot ?

lame, slow, uninformed, no passion for their work

On February 24th, 2010 marye said:
and also a stunning lack of critical thinking skills and horror of people who display any.

thats a pretty vicious attack against people who choose to be clean.

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and as for my clean and sober friends

God bless 'em and their right to make that choice for themselves!

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stuman

this was actually a pretty big issue in Silicon Valley about 20 years back. Tech companies tended to not care or even tacitly encourage it until federal funding started being contingent on "drug-free workplaces" and suddenly programmers were having to pee into cups to keep their jobs.

The issue of working impaired and the issue of what substances are in one's system vary wildly from person to person and job to job. The issue should be impairment, not chemistry.

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I think the idea is

not a matter of disrespect for people's own judgment on their personal substance limits, which lord knows deserve respect, but of disrespect for the sort of workplace that requires testing for drugs as a condition of employment, a requirement that, evidence suggests, involves a certain amount of Kool-Aid drinking of another sort.

Of course there are situations where people's safety is involved and drug testing is legit. But as an employment screening thing for office jobs and the like, it's a clear, and irrelevant to the actual work, deterrent to Those People. Questioners of authority and so on.

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just one more thing

Do pot smokers deliver the truck loads of you favorite bands CD`s and DVD`s to the store for your enjoyment ? Or do pot smokers deliver the bands equipment to the next arena ? NO I don`t think so !! Think about the ways you think , or is it the weed that keeps you closed minded ? unable to think clearly . Think about it , think about the folks who give up the ability to smoke weed so YOU can have a normal life .

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lame, slow, uninformed, no passion for their work ????

Wel I for one don`t smoke weed ! Clean and sober except for a beer or two every two to three weeks . Besides for being under employed , I happen to LOVE what I do ! I take great passion for doing my work . weather it be driving a truck or working on someones car .
I do my job well and folks love me for it. The smiles on Grandma`s face when she can drive herself to the market , it`s Pricless !! " lame, slow, uninformed," maybe the one who wrote this should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror . Do pot smokers deliver you groceries to the market you shop at ,
or any goods that you need to survive . I don`t think so . Do pot heads and drug users make for quality mechanics , I never seen one .
And Marye , well hell I thought you where better then that . I am shocked in horror to hear that you really think that way .

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I resemble that remark

That's quite a vague generality you tossed up here. I am not required to take any test in my line of work, which involves active supervision, new employee training, old employee updating, and performance review. Passion may be slipping away as I am real close to retirement.

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lame, slow, uninformed, no passion for their work

and also a stunning lack of critical thinking skills and horror of people who display any.

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22 months, 16 days

since I had a job, finally, looks like I might have a pt job. It's not the marketing director for rhino, but, it's a job. Just have to pass a bg check, and since I'm not a criminal....wait, we are all outlaws in the eyes of amerika, thank the gods they aren't checking for that. :)
Just say "no" to drug tests. All they do is identify pot smokers, and if ya want happy workers, let them smoke pot, or, at least, don't test them for it.
Just an observation, but has anybody else noticed that people who have "drug free" positions seem, to me anyway, lame. slow and uninformed? No passion for their work? Just an observation.

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