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Acoustic energy speakers

Thanks for the tip Simonrob...the AE Mark III speakers look very nice. Then I checked the price: a gigantic £750 (more than $1000)...and then I realised ...

THAT WAS JUST FOR THE STANDS!

The Units themselves come in at around $3000 a pair (more for the 'Special Edition Version). Ouch. Way out of my league.

They do seem to make some less extravagant models though

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now about speakers

the best i ever heard in a house system was 1 voice of the theatre studio monitor in one corner and a pair of 15" JBLs in the other corner,plenty of bass, totally awesome. but the voice too huge. avid's sounded good but those got stolen, then i had a pair of bose but i didn't really like the sound not enough bass end, all highs, but damn clean highs. then i had the jamo's which i really loved but i would play them without the covers on (cat trashed em) and my daughter (not quite 1 at the time) would watch the woofer's bounce but then thought it more fun to poke her fingers through them, i think she even poked a pin in the tweeter cones a few times for good measure... very sad, but i still have them and thanks to buddy i have renewed hope of resurrecting them from the shelf in the garage. it was ten years that the house was quiet, then i got the klipsh which are as close to the 1st mentioned sound as i've heard and if i only had the sub-woofer i could make the pool balls bounce : )..., however the wife has a perpetual migraine so i don't get to listen much, if it ain't concert level it's not really worth it. which brings us to headphones, koss pro4aa's, enough said.

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can't beat the sound of new

can't beat the sound of new vinyl spinning on the ol' turntable. even if you taped that 1st spin on to tape, cassette or R2R the low end was muffled and the highs clipped.while i find CDs quite clean, more open sounding, i think i hear more from them compared to the album. but i would still rather have the album because of the artwork and the other good things it could do ; ) i still can just stare at "Aoxomoxoa" looking into the art at the art. it is the best as mr plant has said!

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as always

LESH FILLIN BASS GREAT

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Oh, dear....CB....

farty noises from your speakers can't be good.......xoxox

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New speakers for Mr. Badger

In Europe, I assume. Check out the Acoustic Energy Reference Series AE1 MkIII. Maybe they are suitable. Link is:

http://www.acoustic-energy.co.uk/Product_range/Reference_series/AE1_MkIII.asp

I have been trying to get to listen to a pair here in Holland, but haven't yet found a shop with a pair in stock. My Gale speakers (see above) are getting past their best (sagging cones I think). Apparently you should not be put off by their small physical size - studio monitors are generally not pantechnicon-sized. Anyway, check out the website.

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re: I just blew my speakers

Well CB, sorry to hear of yer speaker issues, but you may be able to have your speakers repaired. They may need new cones, or possibly new surrounds, depending on the design. You have to ask yourself some questions: Are they worth repairing? Did you like the way they sounded before the 5 years they spent in Siberian storage? The fact that they were old shouldn't have an impact on your decision, my speakers are over 36 years old. I've had to have both woofers re-coned over the years, once due to the Rhythm Devils on the Dead Set album played way too loud, and the other time it was Welcome to the Machine on Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album. As I've gotten older I've learned to keep the volume slightly under 11... As far as what's on the market today, I can't give you any specific recommendations, except to go big! Don't worry what Mrs. Badger thinks of them, she will get used to them. Hopefully.

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I just blew my speakers

listening to Easy Wind on Workingman's Dead very loud

They were old and after 5 years in (slightly damp) storage were never quite the same. Now they make farty noises.

Now need some new studio monitors. What's good out there?

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Some thoughts

Advantages of vinyl are not limited to decent sized cover art. Album covers are also ideal for rolling a number on whilst listening to the album. Probably the greatest difference between vinyl & CD is that - on a good system - an LP will produce a stereo image with much greater depth i.e. the sound stage is not only a left to right experience but also a front to back experience. I have yet to hear this adequately from a CD. The (allegedly) best CD's - gold ones, SHM ones etc. - go a long way to reproducing the "warm" sound of an LP but still lack depth. CD's score on durability as Patricia said and also on playing time. It is soooo nice to be able to hear "Live/Dead" in its entirety without having to keep changing sides/albums. As regards one's pride and joy, the sound system, I feel that the most important components are those that are used to transfer the signal acrss an interface. With vinyl, the crucial element is the cartridge which has to collect motional information from a wavy groove and convert it to an electrical signal. With all media the other crucial interface is where the electrical signal has to be converted to an analog waveform that travels through the air and into your ears. As such the speakers are probably the most critical element in a sound system. What happens between the cables coming out of the cartridge and the cables entering the speakers is much easier to get right. That is not to say that all amplifiers are equal, of course, even though the ideal is purely to amplify the signal rather than change it in any way.. Different types of amplifier will affect the signal in different ways. A class A transistor amp will generally produce a better output signal than, say, as class B amp, and a valve amp (typically class A) will produce a warmer sound than a transistor amp. I feel that the most important component in a CD player is the digital-analog converter. The biggest problem with all of this is getting a set of components where the whole system is greater than the sum of its parts and it performs how you want it to in your living space. To this end, I settled on a Koetsu Red cartridge (hand made years ago by some Japanese guy who is now deceased, so if it needs a new stylus I'm probably in trouble) mounted on an SME series V arm on a Pink Triangle PT TOO turntable, which is a poorly built but neutral and fine sounding turntable. For CDs I have a Theta Data Basic transport and Theta DS Pro Basic III digital signal processor with an additional HDCD board fitted. Next comes a Krell PAM 5 preamp and Krell KSA 100 power amp followed by a pair of Gale GS 401 A speakers. I used to have a variety of valve amps but they were so unreliable that when I moved from England to Holland I dumped them for the Krell. It is pretty good for a transistor unit and has given absolutely no problems in the 25 years that I have had it (a good thing, coz at 40kg I wouldn't want to send it off for repair).The Gale speakers are also old but fine. Not huge, more along the lines of a studio monitor. 4ohm impedance and good for at least 200W they can handle the power of the Krell with no problem. The whole system produces a warm but tight and crisp sound with excellent transients well suited to rock music, less good for classical (which I never listen to anyway). Bearing in mind that living rooms are generally "compact" in Europe, huge speakers, however desirable, are rarely an option. Electrostatics and the like that have to be placed 3-4ft away from the back wall are sadly just not viable for me - the furthest I can get from my speakers is about 16ft. So that is my 2 (Euro) cents worth. Whats yours?

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stupid me

need i say more

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