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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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and on that note

with 2009 behind us, I refer you to the New Decade, New Vines topic, and send this one into well-deserved retirement.

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1984 sbds pt 2 vine

is here.

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Postcard From the Hangover Vine

is here.

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1984 SBD's Part 2 Vine

Well since gdhead77 just vined 7/4/84 it just makes it a little easier for me. Flac files on 4 CD-R’s. Includes –

gd84-11-03.sbd.greenberg.21761.sbeok.shnf
gd84-12-31.sbd.miller.32347.flac16f

Grateful Dead
11/03/84
Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA

MSP > D > CD patched with MAC > C > C > D

EAC & SHN conversion by John Mollman from Jim Powell's seeds
Sector Boundaries verified w/ shntool

Disc #1: 57:07
Set I
1. --preamble-- [0:28]
2. Alabama Getaway [6:35] >
3. Promised Land [7:12]
4. FOTD [10:39]
5. Down in the Bottom [8:34]
6. It Must Have Been the Roses [5:26]
7. The Music Never Stopped [9:03] >
8. Deal [9:08]
9. "we'll be back" [0:05]

Disc #2: 48:54
Set II
1. Feel Like A Stranger [9:51]
2. Cumberland Blues [6:06]
3. Gloria [8:48] >
4. Why Don't We Do it in the Road [6:00] >
5. Jam [5:12] >
6. Drums [12:49]

Disc #3: 55:16
1. Space [12:10] >
2. Uncle John's Band [11:47] >
3. Dear Mr. Fantasy [6:57] >
4. Throwing Stones [9:26] >
5. Lovelight [9:05]
6. --outro-- [0:12]
ENCORE
7. --dead air-- [0:05]
8. Brokedown Palace [5:32]
9. --outro-- [0:05]

Grateful Dead - December 31, 1984
Civic Center - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
FM -> Master Reel (1/4 Track 7.5ips Dolby B Tandberg Deck) -> Dat

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 ->
Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

Recorded By Bob Menke
Dat Supplied By David Gans
Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
February 1, 2006

Notes:
-- Seamless transition between discs 2 and 3.
-- Reel flips in Bird song and Drums patched with FM source pulled from LMA.
-- Cool Edit Pro used to make minor level adjustments.
-- I removed all DJ chatter that wasn't over the music.

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Shakedown Street
d1t03 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t04 - Peggy-O
d1t05 - Jack Straw ->
d1t06 - Bird Song
d1t07 - Hell In A Bucket ->
d1t08 - Don't Ease Me In

Set 2:
d2t01 - Sugar Magnolia ->
d2t02 - Scarlet Begonias ->
d2t03 - Fire On The Mountain ->
d2t04 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter) ->
d2t05 - Drums ->
d3t01 - Space ->
d3t02 - Spanish Jam ->
d3t03 - The Wheel ->
d3t04 - Throwing Stones ->
d3t05 - Turn On Your Lovelight

Set 3:
d3t06 - Gimme Some Lovin' ->
d3t07 - Uncle John's Band ->
d3t08 - Around And Around ->
d3t09 - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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Mary - please add to postcard vine

These shows are all shn/flac format on 1 DVD.

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Postcard from the Hangover Vine - 72 & 84

Following up NYE here is a vine to start the new year off right... Some good 72 material (9/30/72 was vined at some point but I am including anyway) and a good 84 show of which there is very little listed in the vinedex.. All good shows and a nice follow up to TNHG 72 SBDs vine. Note the academy of music show is NOT on the dick's picks cd. Happy new year to the vine and enjoy... First on the list send me a PM with name/addy. By the way if anyone out there has the following shows and can either vine/trade let me know... 4/7/72, 5/7/72, 5/23/72, 5/24/72.

Peace, Marty

Grateful Dead - March 23, 1972
Academy of Music - New York, NY

Recording Info:
SBD -> Master Reel -> Apogee AD500 -> Dat (48k)
All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller

Set 1:
d1t01 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t02 - I Know You Rider
d1t03 - Black Throated Wind
d1t04 - Chinatown Shuffle
d1t05 - Brown Eyed Women
d1t06 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t07 - Cumberland Blues
d1t08 - Looks Like Rain
d1t09 - Mr. Charlie
d1t10 - Tennessee Jed
d1t11 - El Paso
d2t01 - You Win Again
d2t02 - Jack Straw
d2t03 - Next Time You See Me
d2t04 - Playing In The Band
d2t05 - Comes A Time
d2t06 - Me And Bobby McGee
d2t07 - Casey Jones

Set 2:
d2t08 - Tuning
d2t09 - Truckin'
d2t10 - Ramble On Rose
d3t01 - Two Souls In Communion
d3t02 - Mexicali Blues
d3t03 - Dark Star
d3t04 - Big Boss Man
d3t05 - Not Fade Away ->
d3t06 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d3t07 - Not Fade Away
d3t08 - Crowd

Encore:
xxxxx - Sugar Magnolia (MISSING)

Grateful Dead
August 12 1972
Memorial Coliseum
Sacramento, CA
16 bit 44.1 version
master reel @7.5ips> J.Garcia's reel @ 3.75ips > Will Boswell's reel @ 3.75ips > Apogee DAC> Apogee Mini Me > Wavelab 5.0
Transferred by Matt Smith

Set One
Disc 1
01. |03:24| The Promised Land
02. |07:24| Sugaree
03. |01:41| "Emancipate us from your flasbulbs"
04. |03:11| Me And My Uncle
05. |01:11| " what's the matter, aint loud enough for ya? "
06. |11:00| Bird Song
07. |02:02| "the furthur back ya are, the better the sound is"
08. |06:45| Black Throated Wind
09. |00:49| tuning
10. |05:29| Deal
11. |01:01| tuning
12. |03:14| El Paso//
13. |02:46| //Tennessee Jed
14. |01:38| Keith and Donna introductions
15. |13:12| Playing In The Band
16. |03:36| " sounds like they'd rather have somethin rockin "
17. |04:25| Big Railroad Blues
18. |01:00| Tuning
Disc 2
19. |07:06| Cumberland Blues
20. |01:04| tuning
21. |07:47| Stella Blue!!
22. |00:39| tuning
23. |03:56| Jack//Straw
24. |07:01| Casey Jones
Set Two
25. |05:22| Greatest Story Ever Told
26. |06:53| Ramble On Rose
27. |01:40| " 22? It's gotta be under 20, otherwise the union won't go for it "
28. |03:16| Beat It On Down The Line
29. |09:21| He's Gone >
Disc 3
30. |02:42| Drums >
31. |16:57| The Other One >
32. |09:05| Black Peter >
33. |03:47| The Other One
34. |11:57| Truckin'
35. |01:39| Tuning
36. |06:37| Mississippi Half Step
37. |06:04| Sugar//Magnolia
Encore
38. |05:17| One More Saturday Night

Grateful Dead
9/30/72
Soccer Field
American University
Washington, D.C.

Master 7" Soundboard Reels @ 7 1/2 ips > Cassette > DAT> CDR
CD Mastering by Scott Clugston

some hiss but still nice

Disc 1
1st Set
1. Promised Land
2. Deal
3. Mexicali Blues
4. Sugaree
5. Black Throated Wind
6. China Cat Sunflower>
7. I Know// You Rider
8. El Paso
9. Bird Song
10.Big River

Disc 2
1. Loser
2. Playin' in //the Band
3. Casey Jones
2nd Set
4. Greatest Story Ever Told
5. He's Gone
6. Me & My Uncle
7. Brokedown Palace

Disc 3
1. Truckin'>
2. The Other One>
3. Sing Me Back Home
4. Sugar Magnolia
5. Mississippi Half-Step
6. Uncle John's Band
Encore
One More Saturday Night (missing)

Grateful Dead - July 4, 1984
Five Seasons Center - Cedar Rapids, IA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Master Cassette -> Cassette -> Dat (48k)
All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
Patch Info:
Sennheiser 421 -> Master Cassette -> Dat -> CD (shnid=14194) supplies:
Far From Me (0:00 - 0:15)
Space (4:39 - 7:22)

Notes:
-- Set 2 is seamless
-- This is a remastering of my previous seed (shnid=27761)
-- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction

Set 1:
d1t01 - Feel Like A Stranger
d1t02 - Friend Of The Devil ->
d1t03 - C C Rider
d1t04 - Cumberland Blues ->
d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t06 - Row Jimmy
d1t07 - Hell In A Bucket ->
d1t08 - Don't Ease Me In

Set 2:
d2t01 - Help On The Way ->
d2t02 - Slipknot! ->
d2t03 - Franklin's Tower ->
d2t04 - Far From Me
d2t05 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t06 - He's Gone ->
d2t07 - Drums ->
d3t01 - Space ->
d3t02 - Truckin' ->
d3t03 - Wharf Rat ->
d3t04 - Around And Around ->
d3t05 - Good Lovin'

Encore:
d3t06 - U.S. Blues

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New 72 SBD vine

is here.

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New 72 SBD's Vine

3 new Charlie Miller SBD’s from 1972. I came across a Europe show that hadn’t been vined here yet. Flac files on 5 CD-R’s. Includes –

gd72-01-02.08709.sbd.miller.sbeok.t-flac16
gd72-03-05.sbd.miller.103282.flac16
gd72-04-16.18103.sbd.miller.sbeok.t-flac16

Winterland Arena
San Francisco, Ca
01-02-1972
gd72-01-02.sbd.miller.8709.sbeok.flac16

updated lineage:
Soundboard Master >Reel Master> Reel > CD > SonicSolutions Workstation > CD> SHN
[had been marked]
Soundboard Master > Reel > CD > SonicSolutions Workstation > CD> SHN]
______________________________________________________________________________________

--Set 1 / Disc 1-- --[72:57]--
101-d1t01 - Truckin [09:31]
102-d1t02 - Sugaree [07:22]
103-d1t03 - Mr. Charlie [04:28]
104-d1t04 - Beat It On Down The Line [03:11]
105-d1t05 - Loser [06:23]
106-d1t06 - Jack Straw [05:10]
107-d1t07 - Chinatown Shuffle [02:55]
108-d1t08 - Tennessee Jed [07:07]
109-d1t09 - El Paso [04:29]
110-d1t10 - You Win Again [03:35]
111-d1t11 - Big Railroad Blues [04:13]
112-d1t12 - Mexicalli Blues [03:44]
113-d1t13 - Playing In The Band [06:04]
114-d1t14 - Next Time You See Me [04:45]
--Disc 2--
115-d2t01 - Brown-Eyed Women [04:25]
116-d2t02 - Casey Jones [05:02]

--Set 2--
201-d2t03 - Good Lovin' -> [14:31]
202-d2t04 - China Cat Sunflower -> [03:32]
203-d2t05 - Good Lovin' [03:35]
204-d2t06 - Ramble On Rose [06:31]
205-d2t07 - Sugar Magnolia [07:52]
206-d2t08 - Not Fade Away -> [05:13]
207-d2t09 - Going Down The Road Feeling Bad -> [06:52]
208-d2t10 - Not Fade Away [03:40]

--Encore--
209-d2t11 - One More Saturday Night [04:56]

--[66:09]—

Grateful Dead - March 5, 1972
Winterland - San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD

Transfer Info:
CD -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> Samplitude Professional v10.22 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
December 8, 2009

Notes:
-- Note updated source info (but still can not confirm)
-- That's Wavy Gravy at the beginning of China Cat Sunflower
-- Mind Left Body Jam in Good Lovin'
-- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction

Set One:
d1t01 - Bertha
d1t02 - Black Throated Wind
d1t03 - Mr. Charlie
d1t04 - Sugaree
d1t05 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d1t06 - Next Time You See Me
d1t07 - Tennessee Jed
d1t08 - Jack Straw
d1t09 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t10 - I Know You Rider
d1t11 - Mexicali Blues
d1t12 - You Win Again
d1t13 - El Paso
d1t14 - Casey Jones

Set Two:
d2t01 - Good Lovin'
d2t02 - Not Fade Away ->
d2t03 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d2t04 - Not Fade Away

Encore:
d2t05 - One More Saturday Night

Grateful Dead
4/16/72
Stakladen - Aarhus University
Aarhus, Denmark
gd72-04-16.sbd.miller.18103.sbeok.flac16

Lineage:
Set 1: SBD>Rm>?>Cass>Sound Forge>SHN
Set 2: SBD>Rm>Dat>Sonic Solutions>CD>EAC>Samplitude>SHN

Set 2 Conversion and Editing By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
6/12/03

--Set 1--
101-d1t01 - Greatest Story Ever Told
102-d1t02 - Sugaree
103-d1t03 - Chinatown Shuffle
104-d1t04 - Black Throated Wind
105-d1t05 - Tennessee Jed
MISSING - Mr. Charlie
MISSING - Beat It On Down the Line
106-d1t06 - China Cat Sunflower ->
107-d1t07 - I Know You Rider
108-d1t08 - Mexicali Blues
109-d1t09 - Loser
MISSING - Next Time You See Me
110-d1t10 - Playing in the Band
MISSING - Dire Wolf

--Set 2--
201-d2t01 - Good Lovin'
202-d2t02 - Cumberland Blues
203-d2t03 - El Paso
204-d2t04 - Deal
205-d3t01 - Truckin ->
206-d3t02 - The Other One Jam ->
207-d3t03 - Me & My Uncle ->
208-d3t04 - The Other One ->
209-d3t05 - Not Fade Away ->
210-d3t06 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
211-d3t07 - Not Fade Away reprise

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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1984 Soundboards Part 1 Vine

is here.

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Phil Closes Warfield Vine

is here.

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