Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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Garcia & Co.1967 (Interview)

Jerry Garcia & Co. at 710 Ashbury in Spring 1967 (Interview)

+ Richard Starlight's Radio Effluvia

Both the interview and the filler came to me through FM radio broadcasts in the early-to mid-nineties. The audio quality reflects that, but for this project off-the-beaten path, I hope you will bear with it.

I've never seen a complete tape of this justly famous interview on any torrent site. The tape does not fit on one disc, but takes up a mere 3.5 minutes on disc two. That leaves a huge amount of space for some fascinating filler I wanted to offer to you, the avid trader, some examples of the unconventional details of our homegrown subculture.
Consider The filler the sonic equivalent of old, hand-drawn & photocopied J-cards, or much-loved, do-it-yourself concert tie-dyes.


The Taper's Compendium Vol. 1 lists this interview as 80 min. This copy is just over 83 minutes (or somewhere in there~~perhaps the author of that piece was estimating, too).
For this tape db.etree lists only the what's available on the Acid Test Compliation set. That source is either different from this one or has been cleaned up considerably. It is woefully incomplete, however. Here is the complete interview for cleaning up.

Lance Neal broadcast this source in the mid-ninties on the WBAI program "Morning Dew," and I taped it to cassette. Happily, the ATC soure patches tape flips from both Lance's source and my cassette made during the broadcast. Lance's source even sounds like a compliation to me. The quality is markedly different between noisy beginning and cleaner end. I dropped in many track breaks as I was transferring both sources to disc. This gives a chance to locate specific quotes or topics that may interest the researcher. I hope the abundance of them does not put anyone off too badly.

This is a highly-entertaining historical document of life at 710. Pigpen, Mountain Girl, Weir (speaking, playing acoustic), and a child named Jason all appear at some point. Weir and someone who sounds like it might be Jon McIntire tell of the exploits of Bear and Laird Grant out on the streets in the Haight. (I thought I also heard Reddy Kilowatt asking a brief sarcastic question in passing early on.)

Most entries on this interview are reluctant to date any more specifically than its year (1967), though internal markers set it in the spring. The February Newsweek article referenced in the conversation ("Drop-Outs with a Mission") was recent, the Dead were vaguely planning their June trip to NYC, and interviews were underway on the Look Magazine article featuring the Airplane at the end of May (though for some reason, lists this as appearing in March.) The film Blowup, released late in 1966, was apparently also still in the theaters.

No one knows the identity of the interviewer, though on the tape he refers to his friend operating the tape recorder by name ("Kramer"). He also indicates that he himself was Garcia's former banjo student, is acquainted with the local bluegrass scene, and was in a band with Bay area guitarist and mandolinist Bert Johnson. He knows the ins and outs of the changes in personnel of Rick Shubb's band (before the Shubb capo days). Apparently this interviewer had also seen The Warlocks play at Magoo's Pizza Parlor in 1965! Perhaps his identity can still be discovered.

Let the sound quality issues of this post serve as a call to locate the better master!
(See Disc Two info below for a run-down of the special filler rounding out the disc.)

FM Radio broadcast > cassette > CD with SHN to CD patches > EAC > FLAC

JG@710 disc One (Interview)

d1t01 - I Never Thought Garcia Would Go Electric!
d1t02 - The Whereabouts of Bill Keith, Dave Grisman, Shubb's Band
d1t03 - Garcia's Guitar Gear
d1t04 - Hey, Pig
d1t05 - Our Music
d1t06 - Some Rock'n'Roll
d1t07 - Surrealistic Pillow Sessions
d1t08 - 'Someone to Love'
d1t09 - Here's Your Pistol
d1t10 - SF Sound
d1t11 - v. English Groups
d1t12 - SF Scene
d1t13 - Forward Motion
d1t14 - The Term 'Psychedelic'
d1t15 - Control Over Your Product
d1t16 - Artistic Pride
d1t17 - Commercial Sound
d1t18 - The Airplane and Great Ideas
d1t19 - Would You Answer That Phone?
d1t20 - Phonies at the Fillmore?
d1t21 - 'Really People'
d1t22 - Obvious Music & Reciprocal Excitement
d1t23 - NYC Soon
d1t24 - SF - Good Place to Live
d1t25 - 'Drop-Outs with a Mission'
d1t26 - Social Drop-Out
d1t27 - Play, Not Teach
d1t28 - Hold-Outs
d1t29 - Gradual Changeover
d1t30 - At Magoo's
d1t31 - English Groups
d1t32 - Long Hair
d1t33 - Success
d1t34 - Viet Nam and Anti-Life
d1t35 - The Stupidity of Killing
d1t36 - Illusory Power
d1t37 - Get Along
d1t38 - An Act of Love, An Act of Joy
d1t39 - NY
d1t40 - 'In' Things
d1t41 - Buffalo Springfield, Moby Grape, Jefferson Airplane
d1t42 - Jorma
d1t43 - Matt Cates
d1t44 - The Radio Stations Are Our Friends
d1t45 - Program Directors and Monkees
d1t46 - Top 10 Singles
d1t47 - Our Album
d1t48 - Future of SF Sound
d1t49 - Stolen Gear - Spiritual Dues
d1t50 - SF v. GV
d1t51 - Do It Ourselves
d1t53 - Light Shows
d1t54 - Surviving
d1t55 - Hell's Angels
d1t56 - Pounded into the Ground
d1t57 - They Found It!
d1t58 - Do You Want Some Dope?
d1t59 - Left Alone
d1t60 - Danger
d1t61 - What Are You Rejecting?
d1t62 - Crunchy-Style Epiphone
d1t63 - You Win the Oreo!
d1t64 - Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
d1t65 - Only Certain Ideas
d1t66 - Cops = OK
d1t67 - Do You Play Better on Dope?
d1t68 - Legalize It
d1t69 - Cigarette
d1t70 - Sped-Up Rolls - Tell Her Jerry Sent You
d1t71 - Bluegrass, Rock
d1t72 - No Dime, No Nickel
d1t73 - CaYooo, CaYoooo!
d1t74 - Existentialism
d1t75 - Flicks - Blowup - Coburn Offer
d1t76 - Look Magazine
d1t77 - Grace, the Airiplane, and Jazz

JG@710 disc Two (Conclusion of Interview, first three tracks only)

d2t01 - We Got Everything Back!
d2t02 - Owsley's Rap, Big Medicine
d2t03 - That's Your Gun


* * * Richard Starlight's Radio Effluvia

"Radio Effluvia" is a lo-fi labor of love, a tribute to the days when for me tapes were a bit harder to come by, and local GD radio Shows were my main source. Here are some of the finest moments of several of those listener- sponsored broadcasts, mixed in with some homegrown treasures found as anonymous filler on the ends of tapes I copied from who knows who at some point who knows when. Here's to those Great Days when all this was still new and one still had to find a way in!

FM broadcasts > cassettes > CD > EAC > FLAC

d2t04 - Charles Atlas
d2t05 - Thursday Lunch
d2t06 - New Year's Lunch
d2t07 - Jerry on TBWWP
d2t08 - The Barbed-Wire Whipping Party
d2t09 - Hello, There!
d2t10 - Acid Test Overture
d2t11 - Here Comes Healy
d2t12 - Jerry Station IDs
d2t13 - Phil for Morning Dew
d2t14 - Tax-
d2t15 - Deductible
d2t16 - Charity
d2t17 - Organizations
d2t18 - LSD Window Pane
d2t19 - %Music Is Love%%
d2t20 - %Sunshine Daydrream%%
d2t21 - %Dark Star%%
d2t22 - Psychedelic Coke
d2t23 - Michael from Mountains
d2t24 - Sally Go Round Roses
d2t25 - Chud
d2t26 - Wake Up!
d2t27 - Morning Dew Special
d2t28 - GD Hour Titles
d2t29 - Aoxo Ad (Dupree's)
d2t30 - Ancient Past
d2t31 - Lance for RAN
d2t32 - Jerry Tribute Announcement
d2t33 - Star Spangled Banger, Closing Remarks


t04) Bill Graham intro

t05) Bob Young's "Thursday Lunch" program announcement from 1990 or 1991 on KPFK, 90.7 FM in Los Angeles

t06) Bob Young announces "New Year's Lunch" on KPFK

t07) Taped form "Thursday LUnch," with program's theme cart playing behind Source tape has Jerry being interviewed by another DJ at an unknown earlier time

t08) TBWWP comes up as "Thursday Lunch" theme cart fades down

t09) From Lance Neal's "Morning Dew" program on WBAI, 99.5 FM in New York City taped some time between 1993 and 1996

t10) I think that what I am here calling "Acid Test Overture" was originally broadcast by David Gans on "Dead to the WOrld" or the "Grateful Dead Hour." I taped it in the early- to mid-nineties on Lance Neal's "Morning Dew" program. Ken Kesey, Weir, Pig and the "More Power" rap from the Fillmore Acid Test, 01.08.66. Timothy Leary montage, including excerpts of Allen Ginsberg reading "Howl." Much else. Terrence McKenna excerpt. "I Did All My Acid. . ." : artist unknown.

t11) WBAI program announcement, early- to mid-nineties

t13) See note to track 11

t18) The story behind what I call "LSD Window Pane" is similar to track 10.

t19) Excerpt: "Music Is Love" on David Crosby's If I Could Only Rember My Name

t20) Tracks 19 & 20 sequenced like this on a tape I once copied from someone

t21) Gorgeous Dark Star filler from who knows where on some tape I once had

t22) Joni Mitchell from 1968 (perhaps) in Philadelphia (for sure) taped from Bob Young's show in LA during the wee hours of New Year's Day, 1991, which was the evening of a blue moon.

t23) See note for track 22

t24) The Great Society (featuring Grace Slick), recorded at the Matrix in San Fransisco, 09-xx-1966. Same broadcast information as tracks 22 & 23. Fades up at the tail end of a Firesign Theater track from the Dear Friends album.

t25) Home grown

t26) Same broadcast information as track 11

t27) "Morning Dew" special produced by Randy Jackson and Lance Neal for WBAI, 99.5 FM NYC. Broadcast in the early- to mid-nineties. Includes interviews with Bonnie Dobson and the dubious Fred Rose.

t28) Grateful Dead Hour intro from not to long ago

t29) Better quality copy now available on Aoxomoxoa remaster (Golden Road box), along with other ads like this one

t30, 31, 32) Same broadcast information as track 11

t33) From disc one of the Acid Test set from LAMA. Fillmore Acid Test.

"Good Night. We've Enjoyed Having You Here."

e pluribus effluvium
May 2007
This will be as shown above, on 2 cdr`s WAV format . This is a really cool interview I hope
you all enjoy this ! Stu .

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correction, sorry marye

Best of 79: The Godchauxs' Final Tour

Here is the first installment of my Best of 79 project, presented both in SHN/FLAC and WAV. As discussed in the metatopic, I will convert ONE of the shows to WAV and I ask the first 3 people who sign up for this vine to convert and burn one show each, resulting in all 4 shows being in WAV format by the time the vine arrives to the 4th person.

As per the title, I selected what I think are the 4 best shows from the tour. Suprisingly perhaps, I thought the early shows from the tour were the best (and not the more famous 1/20 and 2/3, although both second sets from those nights are very good). 1/7 and 1/8 are from MSG and are B+ AUDs. 1/10 and 1/11 are from Nassau Coliseum and are A AUDs. I tried not to let any NY bias influence my selections but whether it did is up for debate. The sources are:


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Best of 79: The Godchauxs' Final Tour

Here is the first installment of my Best of 79 project, presented both in SHN/FLAC and WAV. As discussed in the metatopic, I will convert ONE of the shows to WAV and I ask the first 3 people who sign up for this vine to will burn one show each, which will result in all 4 shows being in WAV format by the time the vine arrives to the 4th person.

As per the title, I selected what I think are the 4 best shows from the tour. Suprisingly perhaps, I thought the early shows from the tour were the best (and not the more famous 1/20 and 2/3, although both second sets from those nights are very good). 1/7 and 1/8 are from MSG and are B+ AUDs. 1/10 and 1/11 are from Nassau Coliseum and are A AUDs. I tried not to let any NY bias influence my selections but whether it did is up for debate. The sources are:


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Joined: Jul 8 2007
Thanks Jack!

I was wondering when someone would post the new furthur shows. I tried to download them but my internet is just so dang slow.

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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Joined: Jan 2 2009
Furthur Fox Theatre 9/18-20/2009 Vine

Hi vine-loving friends! These shows need to be circulated for sure! They are flac on a DVD but if someone can convert them to wav for those who need that format it would be really cool and I am sure they would appreciate it. I just don't have the time to make all those CD's, perhaps I'm a bit lazy too :-)

Fox Theatre
Oakland, CA

September 18, 2009

I: Phil & Bob Jam->The Other One->The Wheel->Jack Straw, The Music Never Stopped->
Birdsong->Born Cross-Eyed->Let It Grow

II: Lost Sailor->Saint of Circumstance, Althea, Scarlet Begonias->
Fire on the Mountain, Saint Stephen->The Eleven->Terrapin Station->
Not Fade Away

E: Touch of Grey

One cd packing is: disc 1 up to & including s1t7 (born cross-eyed),
disc 2 starting w/ s1t8(let it grow) up to & including s2t5 (fire),
disc 3 start w/ s2t6 (saint stephen)

September 19, 2009

I Jam->Bertha->Good Lovin', Estimated Prophet, Friend of the Devil,
Feel Like a Stranger, Brown Eyed Women, Hell A Bucket

II Jam->Shakedown Street->New Speedway Boogie->China Cat Sunflower->
I Know You Rider, Playing in the Band->Eyes of the World->
Unbroken Chain, Help on the Way->Slipknot!->Franklin's Tower

E One More Saturday Night

1st set fits on a cd, 2nd cd up to and including s2t5(eyes), etc.

September 20, 2009

Set 1:
Samson & Delilah
Casey Jones
Mississippi ½ Step
Pride of Cucamonga
Throwing Stones

Set 2:
Viola Lee Blues
Cumberland Blues
Viola Lee Blues
King Solomon’s Marbles
Dark Star
Welcome to the Dance *
Dark Star
Uncle John’s Band
Sugar Magnolia
Cosmic Charlie

* new Phil song

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

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Live Nirvana Vine

There are a lot of good Nirvana shows out there, audience and sound boards. I picked these two because of their set list and the sound quality.

August 27, 1991
Aladin (Überschall 91)
Bremen, Germany

DISC #1/1 (43:59)
01) Something In The Way (cut)
02) Negative Creep
03) Been A Son
04) Blew
05) Polly
06) Rape Me
07) Pennyroyal Tea
08) School
09) Smells Like Teen Spirit
10) In Bloom
11) Come As You Are
12) Floyd The Barber
13) Endless, Nameless (cut)

October 12, 1991
Cabaret Metro
Chicago, IL

DISC #1/1 (64:19)
01) Jesus Wants Me For A Sunbeam
02) Aneurysm
03) School
04) Floyd The Barber
05) Drain You
06) Smells Like Teen Spirit
07) About A Girl
08) Breed
09) Polly
10) Sliver
11) Pennyroyal Tea
12) Love Buzz
13) Lithium
14) Been A Son
15) On A Plain
16) Negative Creep
17) Blew
18) Endless, Nameless

This will have three audio cd's and a dvd with shn/flac files. Some of the songs on this vine are acoustic. They sound great and in my opinion are better than their commercial releases. This vine was a request by UncleJon so its already on its way to him. Enjoy!

1. UncleJon

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Beggar's Tomb Brentless '79 Vine

is here.

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The Beggar's Tomb Brentless '79 Vine

As some of you may have seen, I posted in the metatopic an offer to seed a 4 show vine from 1979, with the first person to respond naming the shows and having the vine named after him. Beggar's Tomb responded and selected the following shows, which will be vined in BOTH SHN/FLAC and WAV:


There are the last 4 Donna & Keith shows. Three of them are AUDs. I have not listened to these shows yet. I have listened to all of the January shows and the first set of 2/3 so far (starting tomorrow off with what is supposed to be one of THE Scarlet > Fires!). Most of the shows I have listened to from this tour are good, some very good. The sound quality has been acceptable though not stellar (I graded most as B+ or A- for sound quality). It isn't until the fall tour that SBDs readily circulate and I may be wrong (ain't often right...), so don't quote me, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the master reels for much of the year are missing from the vault.

Oh, and I can't take credit for the vine name. Pomo1 suggested it. Thanks all!

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Jazz and Blues for Allah Vine

is here.

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Jazz & Blues For Allah Vine

I recently was given a great eclectic mix of live jazz and blues material and I wanted to share it. I haven't even listened to it yet, so I can't vouch for the quality. However, when you look at the titles, I know you will be impressed. Ten cds:

1. Miles Davis 11-7-73 (FM Broadcast);

2. Herbie Hancock, Carlos Santana, Wynton Marsalis, Ron Carter & Tony Williams, Tokyo Japan, 7-26-81 (SB);

3. Carlos Santana and Various Artists (including Bonnie Raitt, Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir)Blues For Salvador, Kaiser Auditorium, 1-23-88;

4. McCoy Tyner, Stanley Clarke & Billy Cobham, Blue Note NYC, 12-10-04 (early show);

5. Marvin Gaye, The Palladium, London, England, 10-31-76 (SB);

6. Alan Holdsworth, Jack Bruce, Billy Cobham, Didier Lockwood, Montreaux Jazz Festival, 7-23-82 (FM Broadcast); and

7. Dr. John, Montreaux Jazz Festival, 6-30-73.


"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein


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