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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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1968 Lossless Vine

is here.

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Oakland, CA
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August 16, 1969 Vine

is here.

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Primal Pigpen Blues Vine

is here.

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More May and Summer 1981 Vine

is here.

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Graton 95444
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38° 25' 50.0988" N, 122° 52' 3.6228" W
Joined: Jun 26 2007
Garcia Project '74 Installment One

I propose the entire Garcia '74 shows all in lossless format on DVD only. This will be in 5 installments. Many of these will be audience recordings taped by our great preservationist brothers including the recently deceased Jerry Moore (RIP), and will include a large number of SBD recordings. Much of this material are shows with the late Merl Saunders. In my humble opinion, '74 was one of Jerry's best years, if not his best year for solo non-GD work. As far as I know, these represent the best of what is out there, but what the hell do I know? First one to signup after Marye posts the new vine please PM me.

Installment One (of Five) '74 Garcia Project:

jg74-01-17.jgms.aud.tobin.76471.sbeok.flac16
jg74-01-17.jgms.dts-corrected.tobin.90398.flac
jg74-01-17.jgms.mtx.tobin.90365.sbeok.flac16
jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.kaplan.20678.sbeok.shnf
jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.tobin.76474.sbeok.flac16
jg74-01-18.jgms.aud-falanga.jupille.8873.sbeok.shnf
jg74-01-19.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8064.sbeok.shnf
jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.jjoops.11254.sbeok.shnf
jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.ladner.32088.sbeok.flac16
jg74-02-09.jgms.partial.sbd.seff.6381.sbeok.shnf
jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.jjoops.17787.sbeok.shnf
jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.kung.30597.sbeok.flac16
jg74-02-16.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8063.sbeok.shnf
jg74-02-16.jgms.sbd.gems.91471.sbeok.flac16
jg74-02-xx.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8654.sbeok.shnf
jg74-03-08.partial.kpfa-gans.32377.sbeok.flac16
jg74-03-09.jgms.sbd.unknown.33750.sbeok.flac16

Thanks,
Unclejon

"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

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oops

Marye has never "threat[ened]" any of us. I meant thread of course.

Here concludes a fine vine, fantastic year, and perhaps the greatest of all tours. CB generously donated newer sources for 12/18 and 12/19 (only the outtakes have been included, not any of the DP's tracks). 3 DVDs. I am short on time and ask that the first person to sign up take 10 minutes and post the sources. Dates on this part are: 11/21, 11/23, 11/25, 12/1, 12/4 (partial), 12/6, 12/8, 12/12, 12/18, 12/19 (outtakes only).

First person to sign up after Marye posts a threat for this vine, please PM me your address.

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1973 SHN/FLAC Part 7 (the Finale)

Here concludes a fine vine, fantastic year, and perhaps the greatest of all tours. CB generously donated newer sources for 12/18 and 12/19 (only the outtakes have been included, not any of the DP's tracks). 3 DVDs. I am short on time and ask that the first person to sign up take 10 minutes and post the sources. Dates on this part are: 11/21, 11/23, 11/25, 12/1, 12/4 (partial), 12/6, 12/8, 12/12, 12/18, 12/19 (outtakes only).

First person to sign up after Marye posts a threat for this vine, please PM me your address.

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1968 Lossless

This vine will be 4 DVDs, 3 of which I acquired from another source and the 4th sent to me by our good friend and intrepid viner Cosmicbadger. I tried not to repeat any of the shows vined in the 68 Eurovine, but there is probably a repeat or two on the CB disc as newer and cleaner sources have entered circulation. I am a little short on time so I am not going to list sources, but instead ask that the 1st person to sign up take 10 minutes and do this (thank you!). Dates included are: 1/17, 1/23, 1/27, 2/2, 2/3, 3/16 (outtakes only), 5/18, 5/xx, 6/14, 6/19, 8/21, 8/22, 8/28, 9/2, 9/20, 10/10, 10/13, 10/30, 12/7, 12/16, 12/20, and 12/21. If you sign up for this and the Eurovine, you should have just about everything from this formative year.

First person to sign up after Marye posts a thread for this vine, please PM me your address.

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August 16 1969 - Back to Max Yasger’s Farm

August 16 1969 - Back to Max Yasger’s Farm

Friends I offer this show on 1 DVD FALC/SHN and 2 CD-R WAV.
Enjoy and try to live up to our legacies.
Peace
Rick

DVD for the compulsive among us
gd69-08-16.sbd.cotsman.15205.sbeok.shnf
gd69-08-16.sbd.finney.6103.sbefail.shnf
gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95917.flac24
gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95918.sbeok.flac16

and in WAV
gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95918.sbeok.flac16

Grateful Dead
Woodstock Music & Arts Fair
Max Yasger's Farm
Bethel, New York
August 16, 1969 - Saturday

Source: 8 Track Master Reels @ 15ips > DAT
Transfer: Panasonic SV-3700 > Cardas cable S/PDIF >
Edirol UA-5 > analog out > Korg MR-1 DFF @ [1bit/2.8 mhz]
Rate Conversion: AudioGate to [24bit/96 khz]
Mastering: In WaveLab with L3 Waves Multimaximizer
Rate Conversion with r8brain to [16bit/44.1 khz] > TLH > Flac
DAT Supplied by trailmix
Transfer and mastering by Bill Koucky, Green Mountain Bros. November 16, 2008
Fixed November 18, 2008

Disc 1 44:19

1. Stage Announcements, Introduction [3:08]
2. Saint Stephen > [2:04]
3. Mama Tried > [2:42]
4. High Time false start [0:38]
5. Stage Banter. Technical Difficulties [10:28]
6. Dark Star > [19:05]
7. High Time [6:10]

Disc 2 40:24

1. Turn On Your Lovelight [38:23]
2. Applause, Stage Announcements [1:52]

This is the fixed version of shn/95856
Drop Outs in removed and crossfaded from High Time at [0:01],
There were two segments of Lovelight that had additional 4+
minutes of repeated music that was edited out at [11:36] and [28:40]
these cuts were removed then crossfaded.

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Primal Pigpen Blues

Hey folks , since compilations are the "in" right now , How about this one .

Grateful Dead
Primal Pigpen Blues - A Pigpen Compilation
1966-1972

Lineage:
Various SBDs> shn> wav> CD> wav> FLAc Frontend

Disk 1 / Set I:
01. Tastebud (Come Back Baby) - 66-05-19 - Avalon
02. Ain't It Crazy (The Rub) - 71-04-28 - Fillmore East
03. Chinatown Shuffle - 72-04-14 - Copenhagen, Denmark
04. I'm A King Bee - 66-11-19 - Fillmore
05. Easy Wind - 70-12-31 - Winterland
06. The Same Thing - 67-03-18 - Winterland
07. It Hurts Me Too - 67-10-22 - Winterland
08. In The Midnight Hour - 67-09-03 - Rio Nido, CA

Disk 2 / Set II:
01. Mr. Charlie - 72-05-26 - London, UK
02. Pain in My Heart - 66-11-19 - Fillmore
03. Next Time You See Me - 72-04-26 - Frankfurt, Germany
04. Smokestack Lightnin' - 70-02-14 - Fillmore East
05. Sick and Tired - 66-05-19 - Avalon
06. Big Boss Man - 66-07-17 - Fillmore
07. Two Souls in Communion - 72-05-04 - Paris, France
08. Good Lovin'> - 71-04-25 - Fillmore East
09. Turn On Your Lovelight - 68-02-14 - Carousel Ballroom
Encore:
10. Hey Jude - 69-03-01 - Fillmore West

This is a mix I made from my collection a while back. In my mind, it showcases the "essential" Pigpen
in all his glory. If you want raw blues and epic raps, I think that this compilation covers mostly all of
the ground needed to showcase the different sides of Ron McKernan.

This is my first upload, so I hope everything is correct.

Eric
espod@conncoll.edu

I`ll have this converted and on two cdr`s . A must have for any Pig fan !!
Hope you all enjoy this as much as I am . Thank you Eric for seeding this ! Evrything is
more then correct it is perffect !!

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