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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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Ursa Minor's picture
Joined: Jul 19 2007
Grovel: can somebody please seed a Cornell 77 matrix source?

Hi Deadhead taper folks,

could somebody PLEASE seed a Cornell 77 matrix show and any other 77 matrix sources

I can play them on but can't download them :(

it's possible I can capture them digitally through a digital USB>spdif>DAT>Roxio>CDR , but that's alot of work , plus the compression on playback via the net probably isn't worth it in the long run....

somebody's gotta have it...


"the warm wet world of analog audio"

Ursa Minor's picture
Joined: Jul 19 2007
ABB vine CORRECTION : 05-22-1994 WARFIELD, NOT 1995

oops, I got the wrong year on the ABB warfield show on this's 1994 NOT 1995 as listed in the initial post - sorry

"the warm wet world of analog audio"

Joined: Nov 21 2007
Ursa Minor

Nice to see you back seeding !! This one looks nice !! I`ll put my name on it as soon as Marye finds it a home , for sure .. You Rock Bro !! Thank you ..

Ursa Minor's picture
Joined: Jul 19 2007
Allman Bros. Band - 1986-1996 1DVD flac

Hi GD folks,

here's a nice new flac vine for the group...if somebody wants to rock this down to audio format, you guys work that out...Ursa Minor

Allman Bros. Band

10-31-86 Madison Square Garden, NYC.


1. midnight rider
2. blue sky
3. one way out
4. statesboro blues
5. southbound
6. jessica
7. good lovin'!
04-22-95 Palace Theatre, Louisville, Ky.

Nakamichi 300's XY 8th row left of center>DAT>DAT>CDR

1. statesboro blues
2. midnight rider
3. one way out
4. blue sky
5. what's done is done
6. soulshine
7. the same thing

disc 2

1. dreams (splice)
2. change my way of livin'
3. end of the line (level adjustments)
4. gambler's roll
5. back where it all begins

disc 3

1. hootchie coochie man
2. no one to run with anymore
3. in memory of elizabeth reed
4. southbound w/ derek trucks
5. whipping post


05-05-96 Palace Theatre, Louisville, Ky.

Nueman KM-40's>DAT>CDR 11th row center

disc 1

1. don't want you no more>
2. ain't my cross to bear>
3. ain't wastin' time no more
4. blue sky
5. good clean fun
6. worried down with the blues
7. standback!

disc 2

1. true gravity>
2. drums>
3. bass solo/Jam>
4. true gravity
-------set 2--------
5. I know I'll leave here
6. you don't love me
7. change my way of livin'

disc 3

1. stormy monday
2. in memory of elizabeth reed
3. end of the line
4. no one to run with anymore
5. back where it all begins
*6. elizabeth reed (front row Mid slide condenser>DAT)


05-22-95 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco, Ca.

Nueman U-89's>Nagra Digtial open reel>DAT 25' spread

disc 1

1. intro>
2. sailin' cross the devil's sea
3. statesboro blues
4. blue sky
5. what's done is done
6. change my way of livin'
7. soulshine
8. seven turns
9. midnight rider
10. the same thing

disc 2

1. jessica>
2. casey jones jam>
3. mountain jam>
4. jessica
5.---------set 2----------
6. southbound w/ john popper - harmonica
7. stormy monday w/ john popper - harmonica
8. whipping post (encore)

disc 3

1. no one to run with anymore
2. you don't love me
3. temptation is a gun
4. back where it all begins
5. in memory of elizabeth reed>
6. drums>
7. bass solo>
8. elizabeth reed reprise
9. one way out w/ john popper - harmonica


Dickey Betts w/ Great Southern

02-12-87 My father's Place, Roslyn, NYC

1. Hideaway
2. Your Memory Ain't What It Used To Be
3. Just For A Night
4. Nothing You Can Do (There Ain't)
5. Thunder And Lightning
6. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
7. Blue Sky
8. One Way Out
9. Crime Of The Century
10. Jessica
11. Southbound
12. Ramblin' Man

Comments: some nice sounding Audience sources of the ABB. I prefer the upfront of SBD location with the ABB becuase it captures their sound better than the SBD's. These are some decent sounding shows without the compression that the SBD's frequent becuase of the loud guitar SPL's. The 94 warfield's sequence track order is a little bit hacked , but the show is complete. I also prefer the 90's line up with Warren Haynes, Allan Woody and founding original member Dickey Betts. It's not the ABB without Betts. Enjoy!!!

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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
late August 1980 vine

is here

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
Late August 1980 Vine

Here is another vine of 5 shows to represent the "grate-ness" of the early '80's.

Grateful Dead - August 17, 1980
Municipal Auditorium - Kansas City, MO

Grateful Dead - August 21, 1980
Uptown Theatre - Chicago, IL

Grateful Dead - August 29, 1980
The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

Grateful Dead - August 30, 1980
The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

8/31/80 - Grateful Dead
Capital Centre - Landover, MD

The 8/17 and 8/21 shows are excellent miller sbd's.
The 8/29 and 8/30 Philly shows are excellent aud recordings and the 8/31 show is an aud for set 1 and a sbd for set 2, both sets mastered by Miller.
These are shn/flac files on a DVD(s).

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
New Vines

I'm still working on the summer 81 vine, which should be ready soon, but in the meantime I can start an August 1980 vine.

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
May 1981 Vine

is here.

pomo1's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
Nice Vine Colorado Jackstraw

I agree with you about 81. I went to a few of the shows you are vining and especially recall the Barton Hall show as one of my favorites. Damn, I miss those days. Thanks.

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
No kidding!!

Nice to see you eric..

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."


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