Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
1977 Lossless Part 2

is here.

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007

welcome to the Vineyard! There are many great folks here who keep it going, and I am off to start their topics.

Hal R's picture
Joined: Jun 13 2007

If there is interest in YMSB and there should be, I would add the following show to the April 10th, 2009 show. ( I was at this April 24 show.)

April 24, 2009 (Fri)
Knitting Factory
Spokane, WA

Source: soundboard > Hines' mix-master extravaganza (sorry, it's hush-hush) > digi-coax > Tascam DA-20mkII*
Transfer: master DAT/master deck (Tascam DA-20mkII *) > PC harddrive via coax > Audiophile 2496 soundcard > Sound Forge 6.0 (normalized to peak, minor edits, resampled to 44.1) > CD Wave Editor (sector boundaries verified, tracking) > FLAC Frontend (level 8). Break between discs is seamless.
Recorded and mastered by Pastor Tim (YonderArchive
Thanks to Ben 'Leatherface' Hines for the always-kind soundboard patch and fine headphone stereo effects;
* and to Chris Mrachek for the uber-kind emergency loan of his Tascam DA-20mkII. You rock, brother!

Please support the musicians who encourage the free recording & trading of their live performances by
purchasing (and never burning!) their commercial releases: Elevation (1999), Town By Town (2001), Old
Hands (2003), Yonder Mountain String Band (2006), and Mountain Tracks Live Volumes 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5.
http://www.Yonder Mountain String
Please do not convert these files to mp3 except for listening purposes, and always trade or share in either
FLAC or WAV format for the full richness of the music. Do not convert to 78 rpm wax discs or Edison tin

Entire show with Darol Anger.

DISC ONE [66.29]
One long set:
01 banter 1.25
02 Baby You're A Rich Man tease > 0.51
03 Snow On The Pines # > 11.31
04 Girlfriend Is Better # > 9.21
05 Snow On The Pines # > 4.56
06 Over The Waterfall 6.55
07 How 'Bout You? 5.26
08 Another Day 3.09
09 Crow Black Chicken ^ 9.22
10 Ain't No Way Of Knowing 4.42
11 It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry 4.10
12 Free To Run 4.41

DISC TWO [77.48]
One long set (cont'd):
01 Darol & Jeff's stalking duet* > 8.35
02 Up On The Hill Where They Do The Boogie > 7.13
03 new unnamed Dave instrumental @% 4.38
04 Stuck In The Middle With You @ 3.20
05 banter 1.19
06 Shady Grove 4.37
07 At The End Of The Day 4.42
08 Mossy Cow 6.55
09 Granny Woncha Smoke Some 4.57
10 Looking Back Over My Shoulder > 9.57
11 Casualty 7.17
12 crowd 3.27
13 Don't You Lean On Me 3.03
14 Freeborn Man 7.48

# w/numerous 'Baby, You're A Rich Man' teases
^ w/shout-out to the Chicken 'n' More joint at 414-1/2 W. Sprague in downtown Spokane
* Darol Anger & Jeff Austin only; rest of band off-stage
@ Dave, Adam, & Ben only; Darol & Jeff off
% minor glitch on master at 1.02; Hines also made a master file split just after this song that's been removed.
+ have fun finding the hidden B-52's lick [chuckle...]

Adam Aijala: guitar, vocals
Jeff Austin: mandolin, vocals
Dave Johnston: banjo, vocals
Ben Kaufmann: bass, vocals
w/Darol Anger: fiddle

"Egg-bun? That doesn't even make any sense..." -- BK

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake

That Nice Hippy Guy's picture
Joined: Jul 8 2007
YMSB Fillmore 4/10/09 Vine

I’ve been into these guys for a few years now. Saw my first YMSB show in Columbia, MO when I was 18 and have seen them a few times since then. I dont know if alot of you have heard these guys but if you love bluegrass and Jam bands I’m sure they will become one of your favorites. This is a good matrix recording, most YMSB recordings seem to be. I think that I’ll just include the audio cd’s of this and maybe some bonus material if I can find it.

Yonder Mountain String Band
April 10th, 2009
The Fillmore
San Francisco, CA

***16 BIT***

Source: Schoeps mk4v's(DINish)>kc5>m222>nt222>744 + SBD>xlr's>744
Location: Inside SBD cage @ 7.5'
Transfer: 744t>Wavelab 5>CD Wave>Wavelab 5>Flac
Taped and Transferred by Derek Davis

Disk 1/ Set 1

01 Intro
02 Damned If The Right One Didn't Go Wrong
03 Let Me Fall
04 Mossy Cow
05 Eli Renfro
06 White House Blues
07 River
08 New Horizons
09 Deep Pockets
10 Ain't No Way Of Knowing
11 No Expectations ~>
12 Little Rabbit ~>
13 Free To Run

Disk 2/Set 2

01 Intro
02 Groundhog Tease ~>
03 Snow On The Pines ~>
04 Years With Rose ~>
05 Snow On The Pines ~>
06 Bolton Stretch
07 Ewie With The Crooked Horn
08 Steam Powered Aereoplane

Disk 3/Set 2

01 Long Gone ~>
02 Traffic Jam ~>
03 Elzic's Farewell ~>
04 Girlfriend Is Better ~>
05 Traffic Jam (w/ Jeff Rap)
06 Hill Country Girl
07 Good Hearted Woman

Darol Anger on fiddle for entire show

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

Joined: Jun 5 2007
The Vineyard


I stumbled onto Vineing (sp) this evening just poking around after not checking in for a while. This is really cool. It happily reminds me of the early taping days, sending cassettes back and forth.

All of you work I'm sure is GRATEFULLY appreciated by all. i can't wait to sort it out and jump in



JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
Rothbury Festival Featuring The Dead Vine

Ok here's the new and improved Rothbury vine, AUD recordings from the following bands:

The Dead
Rothbury Festival
Rothbury, MI
July 4, 2009

Source: Milab VM-44 Link -> Sontronics Sonora preamp-> Korg MR-1000 (1bit/2.8MHz DSD)

Location: front edge of soundboard, dead center, 11’ stand

Transfer: Korg MR-1000 -> AudioGate (16/44) -> CD Wave -> FLAC

1. crowd, tuning
2. Jam
3. Sugar Magnolia
4. Eyes of the World
5. Estimated Prophet
6. Loose Lucy
7. Friend of the Devil
8. Into the Mystic
9. Help on the Way
10. Slipknot
11. Franklin’s Tower

Set 2:
1. crowd, tuning
2. One More Saturday Night
3. Shakedown Street
4. ChinaCat Sunflower
5. I Know You Rider
6. Drums *
7. Space
8. Jam
9. Viola Lee Blues
10. Morning Dew
11. Throwing Stones
12. Sunshine Daydream
13. donor
14. U. S. Blues
15. Not Fade Away

* w/ Jason Hann and members of Toubab Krewe

Notes: Encore during fireworks display. All of U.S. Blues and beginning of Not Fade Away edited with Audacity (-2.2 db hard limiter) to limit portions louder than music.

Also starring:

String Cheese Incident
Rothbury Festival
Rothbury, MI
July 3, 2009

The Black Crowes
Rothbury Festival
Rothbury, MI
July 4, 2009

Gov’t Mule
Rothbury Festival
Rothbury, MI
July 5, 2009

Keller Williams
July 2, 2009
The Ranch Arena Stage
Rothbury Festival 2009
Rothbury, MI

Grace Potter & The Nocturnals
Rothbury Music Festival
Rothbury, Michigan
July 5, 2009

These are all flac files hopefully on one DVD. Please note that fluffhead420 is first on the list as he may be adding more goodies to this vine.

Sign up list:

1) fluffhead420

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

dstache's picture
Joined: Sep 10 2007
1977 Lossless Vine: Part 2 (5/3-5/26)

Part 2 contains the remaining shows from the Spring tour, except for those that were officially released. Most of the shows here are in excellent sound quality, with the notable exception of 5/12, an AUD that is VERY rough at times but nonetheless an enjoyable listen. The first four slots are reserved for those that contributed to the gathering of this exceptional year.

The sources:

gd77-05-26 Baltimore (Jay Serafin)

The signup list:

(1) Estim8ed
(2) jackstrawfromcolorado
(3) Arkdeadhead
(4) Pomo1

Canyon Critter's picture
Joined: Oct 20 2008
Guess it doesn't matter anyway...

I hate being the douchebag that held up all those vines. I finally got a ride to the post office on Saturday. You will see them tommorow. Thanks all for being so patient.

Scotty (Canyon Critter)
Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!

marye's picture
Joined: May 26 2007
1977 lossless vine part 1

is here.

JackstrawfromColorado's picture
Joined: Jan 2 2009
Rothbury vine update

Hey now,
Fluffhead and I are putting together this vine and we are trying to include some other rothbury band performances beyond The Dead show. May or may not happen .. so far we have string cheese and govt mule. Regardless, the Dead show alone is by far worth it. It will be seeded soon at a vine yard near you! :-)

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."


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