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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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Nice

Really looking forward to some more 84

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

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Raymond

Hey I can add 4/23/84 and maybe 7/4/84 to that vine. They are SBD's though.

Peace,
Trevor

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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84-85 Matrix Vine

Glad I can finally contribute something!
These shows are all Hunter Seamons' Matrix shows, which are SBD/ AUD mixes. All are excellent quality from my first years of touring. The SPAC show includes Bobby and Phil repremanding those hanging off the balcony.... and the Red Rocks includes Bobby's "Frozen Logger" amongst some other weirdness to start the show. This will be either one or two dvd's of FLAC files. Many thanks to the original seeders and to Hunter Seamons for all of his efforts!

Sources are as follows:

gd84-04-26.mtx.seamons.ht04.92297.flac16 Providence Civic Center
gd85-06-27.mtx.seamons.ht13.92963.flac16 Satatoga Performing Arts Center
gd85-09-07.mtx.seamons.ht08.92521.flac16 Red Rocks
gd85-11-11.mtx.seamons.ht36.95966.flac16 Brendan Byrne Arena, Meadowlands

Setlists below according to DeadBase
4/26/84 Providence Civic Center, Providence, Rhode Island
Set 1: Shakedown Street [12:51]; C.C. Rider [7:50]; Loser [7:07]; Hell In A Bucket [6:25]; Brown-Eyed Women [5:08]; Lazy Lightnin' [3:28] > Supplication [6:45] > Deal [9:46]
Set 2: Scarlet Begonias [12:19] > Fire On The Mountain [15:06]; Estimated Prophet [12:00] > Eyes Of The World [7:48] > Space [2:04] > Never Trust A Woman (1) [4:16] > Drums [6:#17] > Space [9:33] > Morning Dew [11:31] > Throwing Stones [8:49] > Not Fade Away [8:42]
Encore: It's All Over Now, Baby Blue [6:57]

6/27/85 Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga Springs,
New York
Set 1: In The Midnight Hour; Bertha; Little Red Rooster; Stagger Lee;
El Paso; Crazy Fingers > Supplication > High Time; Hell In A Bucket > Don't Ease Me In
Set 2: Feel Like A Stranger > Eyes Of The World > Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad > Man Smart, Woman Smarter > Drums > Space > Truckin' > Spoonful > Black Peter > Turn On Your Love Light
Encore: Johnny B. Goode; It's All Over Now Baby Blue

9/7/85 Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison, Colorado
Set 1: The Frozen Logger; Mississippi Half-Step; New Minglewood Blues; Brown Eyed Women; My Brother Esau; Loser; Dupree's Diamond Blues; One More Saturday Night
Set 2: Shakedown Street > Crazy Fingers > Samson And Delilah; Uncle John's Band > Playin' In The Band > Drums > Space > Dear Mr. Fantasy > Hey Jude Reprise > Dear Mr. Fantasy > Truckin' > Comes A Time > Turn On Your Lovelight
Encore: Johnny B. Goode; It's All Over Now Baby Blue

11/11/85 Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, New Jersey
Set 1: [1:01] Walkin' The Dog; Deal; New Minglewood Blues; Althea; Me And My Uncle > Big River; Bird Song; Looks Like Rain > Don't Ease Me In
Set 2: [1:24] Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain > Estimated Prophet > Eyes Of The World > Drums > Space > Dear Mr. Fantasy > Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad > Throwin' Stones > Turn On Your Love Light
Encore: Brokedown Palace

First to sign up please PM me after Marye gives it a proper home in the Vineyard.

Thanks!
Raymond

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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Vine

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 01_15_1993

Featuring reunion performances by:The Cream, Creedence Clearwater Revival
and The Doors featuring Eddie Vedder.

01. Acceptance Speech
02. Sunshine of Your Love
03. Born Under A Bad Sign
04. Crossroads
05. Who'll Stop The Rain
06. Green River
07. Born on The Bayou, feat. Bruce Springsteen
08. Roadhouse Blues, feat. Eddie Vedder
09. Break on Through, feat. Eddie Vedder
10. Light My Fire, feat. Eddie Vedder

This is just something that I have been listening to,
and I thought I would share. I will probably add a show or two from the same artists.

This will be 3 audio cd's with 1 dvd with flac file for those who use them.

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FWGV Vine Installment #1

This will be an all Flac vine, Kind of styled after UncleJon's Garcia Installments. The installments will consist of 3 dvd's(or 4 at the most) with flac files. They will be the best quality shows around for each artist, usually soundboards or pre-FM. This is the first installment, two of my favorites: Fleetwood Mac and Jefferson Airplane.

FleetwoodMac_05_03_75_CapitolTheatre_NJ
FleetwoodMac_09_23_75_Wallingford_CT
FleetwoodMac_10_17_75_CapitolTheatre_NJ
FleetwoodMac_05_18_77_FairGrounds_OK
FleetwoodMac_05_21_77_Nashville
FleetwoodMac_08_30_78_LSUTigerStadium
FleetwoodMac_11_06_79_STLouisMO
FleetwoodMac_10_12_82_MemphisTenn

JeffersonAirplane_03_04_67_CafeAGoGo
JeffersonAirplane_10_26_68_StudioRehearsals
JeffersonAirplane_10_26_69_Winterland
JeffersonAirplane_04_02_70_Wally Heider's Studios
JeffersonAirplane_04_11_70_Winterland
JeffersonAirplane_06_26_70_Kralingen Festival
JeffersonAirplane_12_XX_70_Wally Heider's Studios

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Dylan & The Dead Vine

Here are the 3 Dylan/Dead shows that I have been able to find up to this point. The 3 shows will be flac files on 6 CD-R’s plus the audience recording of the Dylan set for 7/10 for anyone that’s interested in that. As always you guys can decode and add the audio discs if you would like to. Includes –

gd87-07-04.sbd.miller.101650.sbeok.flac16
gd87-07-10.sbd.miller.101651.flac16
gd87-07-10.aud.rob. Nak 300 Mics > Sony D-5 (Dylan Set)
gd87-07-12.sbd-pcm.miller.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16

Grateful Dead - July 4, 1987
Sullivan Stadium - Foxboro, MA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master -> CD

Transfer Info:
CD -> Samplitude Professional v10.02 -> FLAC
(3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
July 24, 2008

Patch Info:
Sennheiser ME80 -> Cassette Master -> CD (shnid=3858) supplies:
Space (1:24 - 1:42)

Notes:
-- Set 1 is seamless
-- Set 2 with Bob Dylan

Set 1:
d1t01 - Touch Of Grey
d1t02 - Hell In A Bucket
d1t03 - West L.A. Fadeaway
d1t04 - Tons Of Steel
d1t05 - Little Red Rooster
d1t06 - Box Of Rain
d1t07 - Althea
d2t01 - Uncle John's Band ->
d2t02 - Playing In The Band ->
d2t03 - Drums ->
d2t04 - Space ->
d2t05 - Truckin' ->
d2t06 - The Other One ->
d2t07 - Wharf Rat ->
d2t08 - Throwing Stones

Set 2:
d3t01 - Tuning
d3t02 - The Times They Are A-Changin'
d3t03 - Man Of Peace
d3t04 - I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
d3t05 - John Brown
d3t06 - I Want You
d3t07 - Ballad Of A Thin Man
d3t08 - Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
d3t09 - Queen Jane Approximately
d3t10 - Chimes Of Freedom
d3t11 - Slow Train
d3t12 - Joey
d3t13 - All Along The Watchtower

Encore:
d3t14 - Knockin' On Heaven's Door

Grateful Dead - July 10, 1987
JFK Stadium - Philadelphia, PA

Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master -> CD

Transfer Info:
CD -> Samplitude Professional v10.02 -> FLAC
(3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
July 30, 2008

Patch Info:
Sennheiser ME80 -> Cassette Master -> CD (shnid=3859) supplies:
Terrapin Station (0:11 - 0:23)

Notes:
-- Set 1 is seamless
-- Set 2 with Bob Dylan

Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Iko Iko
d1t03 - Jack Straw
d1t04 - Sugaree
d1t05 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t06 - Althea
d1t07 - My Brother Esau
d1t08 - Take A Step Back / Mexican Hat Dance Tuning
d1t09 - When Push Comes To Shove
d1t10 - Cassidy
d1t11 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t12 - I Know You Rider
d2t01 - Looks Like Rain ->
d2t02 - Terrapin Station ->
d2t03 - Drums ->
d2t04 - Space ->
d2t05 - I Need A Miracle ->
d2t06 - Black Peter ->
d2t07 - Around And Around ->
d2t08 - One More Saturday Night

Set 2:
d3t01 - Tangled Up In Blue
d3t02 - I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
d3t03 - Man Of Peace
d3t04 - The Ballad Of Frankie Lee And Judas Priest
d3t05 - John Brown
d3t06 - Simple Twist Of Fate
d3t07 - Ballad Of A Thin Man
d3t08 - Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
d3t09 - Chimes Of Freedom
d3t10 - Queen Jane Approximately
d3t11 - Gotta Serve Somebody
d3t12 - Joey
d3t13 - All Along The Watchtower

Encore:
d3t14 - Touch Of Grey

Grateful Dead - July 12, 1987
Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ

Recording Info:
Sets 1 & 2: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> CD
Set 3: (FOB) Schoeps -> PCM -> Dat -> CD

Transfer Info:
CD -> Samplitude Professional v9.02 -> FLAC
(3 Discs audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
April 14, 2007

Notes:
-- Set 3 with Bob Dylan
-- Encores on end of Set 2 to keep each set on one disc
-- I did the Dat -> CD transfers back in 2000
-- The SBD is an UltraMatrix with a lot of AUD

Set 1:
d1t01 - Hell In A Bucket
d1t02 - West L.A. Fadeaway
d1t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d1t04 - Loser
d1t05 - Tons Of Steel
d1t06 - Take A Step Back
d1t07 - Ramble On Rose
d1t08 - When I Paint My Masterpiece
d1t09 - When Push Comes To Shove
d1t10 - The Promised Land ->
d1t11 - Bertha

Set 2:
d2t01 - Take A Step Back
d2t02 - Morning Dew ->
d2t03 - Playing In The Band ->
d2t04 - Drums ->
d2t05 - Space ->
d2t06 - The Other One ->
d2t07 - Stella Blue ->
d2t08 - Throwing Stones ->
d2t09 - Not Fade Away

Set 3:
d3t01 - Tuning
d3t02 - Slow Train
d3t03 - Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
d3t04 - Tomorrow Is A Long Time
d3t05 - Highway 61 Revisited
d3t06 - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
d3t07 - Ballad Of A Thin Man
d3t08 - John Brown
d3t09 - The Wicked Messenger
d3t10 - Queen Jane Approximately
d3t11 - Chimes Of Freedom
d3t12 - Joey
d3t13 - All Along The Watchtower
d3t14 - The Times They Are A-Changin'

Encore:
d2t10 - Touch Of Grey ->
d2t11 - Knockin' On Heaven's Door

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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August 1971 Part 2 vine

is here>

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August 71 Part 2 + More Vine

Well I already have this one ready so I thought that I would just go ahead and post it. As I explained in part one of this vine, I was going to include 8/23 but had problems with it. If anyone has a decent copy of that show please feel free to add it. There were only 2 shows left from august 71’ so I found some very cool bonus shows to add to them. This will be flac files on 6 CD-R’s and you guys can convert them and add audio cd’s to the vine if you’d like to. Thanks again to all of the seeders on bt.etree.org for all of these. It will include –

gd71-08-21.83307.aud.38f.sbeok.t-flac16 (Mickey’s Barn Jams)
gd71-08-26.32351.sbd.miller.sbeok.t-flac16

the + more

gd71-03-14.06115.sbd.cole.sbeok.t-flac16
gd71-09-29.16891.studio.cousinit.sbeok.t-flac16 (Keith Rehearsal's)
gd71-09-30.18109.studio.cousinit.sbeok.t-flac16 (Keith Rehearsal's)
gd71-10-01.16896.studio.cousinit.sbeok.t-flac16 (Keith Rehearsal's)

HISTORY AND TRACK LIST:
1971/08/21
Mickey's Barn,
Novato CA

Source: Recorded on a Sony TC-24 with supplied Sony stereo mic**
Lineage: AUDMC > Nakamichi Dragon (no Dolby) > Sony D7 DAT > optical digital
cable (DTC-700 was the playback unit) through a Zefiro ZA2 soundcard,
tracked and normalized in Sound Forge and burned to 2 cdrs (61:47 and 42:41)
using CD Architect. Nothing from the original tapes was omitted; one or two
quick fades were done to make cuts less abrupt.
Quality: ****
_____________________________________________________________________________

--Setlist--
101-d1t01 - //Jam #1
102-d1t02 - Wall Song -> Jam -> Wall Song// *
103-d1t03 - Jam #2
104-d1t04 - tuning Part 1
105-d2t01 - //tuning Part 2
106-d2t02 - Jam #3
107-d2t03 - Jam #4
108-d2t04 - Tuning Jam #1
109-d2t05 - Stars & Stripes Forever tuning
110-d2t06 - Ghost Riders In The Sky Jam
111-d2t07 - Whinin' Boy Blues
112-d2t08 - Tuning Jam #2
113-d2t09 - Tore Down

* tape flip? at 29:18.

Grateful Dead
August 26, 1971
Gaelic Park
New York, NY
gd71-08-26.sbd.miller.32351.sbeok.flac16

Recording Info:
SBD -> Master Reel (7in @ 7.5ips 1/2 Track) ->
Cassette (Tascam 122mkII) -> Dat (48k)

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500)-> SEK'D Prodif Plus-> Samplitude Professional 8.01->
Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
February 10, 2006

Patch Info:

Notes:
-- I 'tried' to fix the levels with Cool Edit Pro v2.0
-- d1t12 static in one channel in the last second on the song that
was fixed
-- I cleaned this up as best as I could without going crazy!
-- It's not perfect, but it's better
-- Thanks to Steve Rolfe for the source Dat
______________________________________________________________________

--Set 1--
101-d1t01 - Bertha
102-d1t02 - Playing in the Band
103-d1t03 - Mr. Charlie
104-d1t04 - Sugaree
105-d1t05 - El Paso
106-d1t06 - Big Boss Man
107-d1t07 - Big Railroad Blues
108-d1t08 - Hard Tt Handle
109-d1t09 - Beat It on Down the Line
110-d1t10 - Loser
111-d1t11 - Sugar Magnolia
112-d1t12 - Empty Pages
113-d1t13 - Good Lovin'
114-d2t01 - Casey Jones

--Set 2--
201-d2t02 - //Me & My Uncle
202-d2t03 - China Cat Sunflower ->
203-d2t04 - I Know You Rider
204-d2t05 - Deal
205-d2t06 - Cumberland Blues
206-d2t07 - Truckin' ->
207-d2t08 - Drums ->
208-d2t09 - The Other One
209-d2t10 - Next Time You See Me
210-d2t11 - Me & Bobby McGee
211-d2t12 - Uncle John's Band
212-d3t01 - Saint Stephen ->
213-d3t02 - Not Fade Away ->
214-d3t03 - Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad ->
215-d3t04 - Not Fade Away

--Encore--
216-d3t05 - Johnny B. Goode

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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