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New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:

1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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Warlocks Demo 11/3/65 Vine

I’ve been looking for a copy of this for awhile now and I finally found it. There’s less than 20 minutes of music here but I think it’s something that everyone should hear. I’ll be adding a couple bonus shows though. I’ll post those after the vine has a home.

Warlocks
Autumn Record Demo – “The Emergency Crew”
Golden Gate Studios
San Francisco, CA
11/3/65

Set 1: Can't Come Down, Mindbender, The Only Time Is Now, Caution (Do Not Stop On The Tracks), I Know You Rider, Early Morning Rain

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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2 Garcia/Grisman Shows Vine

I saw that there weren’t any Garcia/Grisman shows offered here for some reason so here are a couple the I just downloaded. The first is an audience recording of the very first Garcia/Grisman show and the second is a very nice Charlie Miller SBD. I will include both Flac/Shn and audio files for these. Thanks to all the seeders at bt.etree.org for these. Hope you all enjoy them.

Jerry Garcia and David Grisman
The Sweetwater,
Mill Valley, CA
12/17/90

AUD:D > DAT > CD

The first Garcia/Grisman performance.

Extraction using EAC, re-tracking using WavMergeand CDWave, and .shn encoding using mkwACT.
Proper sector boundaries verified using shntool.

Single Disc (51:35)

1. The Thrill is Gone
2. When First Unto This Country
3. Grateful Dawg
4. Spring In California
5. Off To Sea Once More
6. So What?
7. Two Soldiers
8. Dawg's Waltz
9. Russian Lullaby

Jerry Garcia and David Grisman
Warfield Theater- San Francisco, CA

Recording Info:
Set One: SBD -> Dat -> Cassette Master -> ? -> Cass -> Dat -> Samplitude -> SHN
Set Two: SBD -> Dat -> Cassette Master -> Dat -> SHN
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs SHN)

Transfered By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
1/19/04

Notes:
--Set One Cassette provided By Ben wirth (I did the A>D Transfer)
--Set Two is listed on GDLive as a DSBD, they are wrong.

Set One:
d1t01 - Walkin' Boss
d1t02 - Instrumental
d1t03 - When First Unto This Country
d1t04 - Handsome Cabin Boy
d1t05 - I Truly Understand
d1t06 - Poison Glass Of Wine
d1t07 - Man Of Constant Sorrow
d1t08 - Sweet Sunny South
d1t09 - Two Soldiers
d1t10 - Spring In California
d1t11 - Grateful Dawg

Set Two:
d2t01 - Thrill Is Gone
d2t02 - Old Rocking Chair
d2t03 - So What?
d2t04 - Off To Sea Once More
d2t05 - Friend Of The Devil
d2t06 - Dawg's Waltz
d2t07 - Russian Lullaby
d2t08 - Arabia

Encore:
d2t09 - Ripple

"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

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A Led Zeppelin

Show on my 5th birthday!!! How cool is that!!

"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

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Led Zeppelin 3-11-75 Vine

Ok, so thanks to the folks at MOTB (Derek especially), we now have another killer LZ show that is sooooo deserving of circulation out here - here it is:

Led Zeppelin
March 11, 1975
Long Beach Arena
Long Beach, CA

16-bit/44.1 Matrix

Sources:
Mike Millard Audience Analog Cassette plus EV's "Californication" Soundboard

CD ONE:
1. Introduction/Tuning
2. Rock And Roll
3. Sick Again
4. Over The Hills And Far Away
5. In My Time Of Dying
6. The Song Remains The Same
7. The Rain Song

CD TWO:
1. Kashmir
2. No Quarter
3. Trampled Under Foot
4. Moby Dick

CD THREE:
1. Dazed And Confused
2. Stairway To Heaven
3. Whole Lotta Love
4. The Crunge
5. Black Dog

Comments:
Matrix of 'remastered' and speed/pitch corrected AUD+SBD sources

Tagged FLAC files.

Matrixed by dmmcabe
Mastered by dadgad

a motb production

Trust me, this show rocks - turn up the volume and let your whole neighborhood share in the joy of a live Led Zeppelin show!!

"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

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early '78 6-pack vine

is here.

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Garcia Project '74 Installment 4 Vine

is here.

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Garcia Project '74 Installment Four Vine

Ok, here's installment 4 for the Garcia Project 1974. I'll be sending this to Lopezz first as a favor for the many shows he has shared with us all. Just one installment to go here folks...and as always, I'll add some tasty bonus shows - maybe GD, maybe someone else, but certainly some high :-) quality music...

jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-06.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16807.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-07.jgms.early.aud.moore.48k.gems.34741.flac1647
jg74-11-07.jgms.early.aud.moore.weiner.jjoops.14306.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.9711.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.jjoops.16839.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-08.jgms.sonyecm.moskal.94547.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-09.jgms.late.slabicky.jjoops.8661.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.lemarre.18202.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.unknown.95767.sbeok.flac16
jg74-11-13.jgms.early.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.10128.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-14.jgms.early.aud.warburton.weiner.jjoops.16461.sbeok.shnf
jg74-11-14.jgms.late.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.6383.sbeok.shnf

Peace, Unclejon

"when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

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Early 78 6-Pack

Here are 6 Very Good to Great shows from the early part of 1978. As everyone probably knows, the Dead performed 10 shows in California in January, stopped over in Eugene for a monster show, then hit the midwest for a 6 date run in late January/early February. Jerry lost his voice during the first show of the year (1/6), and Bobby took over vocals for the remainder of that show AND the two subsequent shows. Jerry began to sing again on 1/10. His voice remained raspy until the Chicago Uptown Theatre shows at the end of the month. His guitar was HOT all month long.

1/6, 1/7, 1/8 and 1/18 are on one the eurovines, and 1/22 is available on at least one other vine as well, so those shows won't be on this one.

Initially, this vine was going to be 4 shows, but I listened to a few more shows from the run, was impressed, and since there was room on the DVDs, made it sixer. Both a MTX and SBD source are included for 1/10 and 1/11. Both are fine shows. 1/13 is amazing, the Dead at their rock n roll finest. 1/30 contains a great second set. 2/1 is a fine performance all around. Now we get to one of my all-time favorite shows, 1/31. The show starts off incredibly hot and the first set ends with a rip roaring Let It Grow. The second set contains my favorite Scarlet Begonias. Jerry jumps the gun a bit and neglects to sing the "there ain't nothing wrong with the way she moves" verse, opting instead to go straight into the guitar solo. It is here where the magic occurs. He only does 3 run throughs, each perfect. In the third run-through, he hits a note I have never heard him repeat. Pure ecstasy. Lachrymose eyes every time for me. When the solo ends, Jerry tries to sing the forgotten lyric (at least that is what I think) but instead repeats the "in the heat of the evening" verse, then goes immediately into the "wind in the willows" verse. The Fire, Terrapin and everything else that follows is great as well.

This vine will be 2 DVD's of SHN/FLAC files. The sources included are:

78-01-10.mtx.mccabe.95134
78-01-10.sbd.cotsman.14523
78-01-11.mtx.sirmick.92086
78-01-11.sbd.cotsman 13190
78-01-13.sbd.clugston.4629
78-01-30.sbd.miller.32255
78-01-31.sbd.miller.32256
78-02-01.sbd.parillo.1017

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Talking Heads vine

is here.

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Talking Heads Vine

This was intended to be an all cd vine released by MarkintheDark for those who do not use flac. This will not be the same vine because I have misplaced some of the shows. This will have 7 audio cd's and 2 dvd's with flac files, so it's a heavy one! These are all great quality pre fm broadcast and sound boards.

01-25-1984 Milwaukee, WI

01. Thank You For Sending Me An Angel
02. Burning Down The House
03. Making Flippy Floppy
04. Once In A Lifetime
05. Found A Job
06. Slippery People
07. What a Day That Was
08. Naive Melody
09. Life During Wartime
10. Big Business
11. Swamp
12. Psycho killer
13. Crosseyed And Painless

02-27-1981 Tokyo, Japan

01. Psycho Killer
02. Stay Hungry
03. Cities
04. Drugs
05. Once in a Lifetime
06. Houses in Motion
07. Born Under Punches
08. Crosseyed and Painless
09. Life During Wartime
10. The Great Curve
11. The Book I Read
12. Girls Want to be with Girls
13. Mind

12-03-1977 San Francisco, CA

01. Uh-Oh, Love Comes to Town
02. ... With Our Love
03. The Book I Read
04. Artists Only
05. Stay Hungry
06. The Big Country
07. New Feeling
08. Thank You For Sending Me an Angel
09. Who Is It
10. Psycho Killer
11. No Compassion
12. No compassion (reprise)
13. 1, 2, 3, stoplight

03-24-1992 Brooklyn Heights, NY (Acoustic David Byrne)

01. I Misunderstood
02. 1952 Vincent Black Lightning
03. I Feel So Good
04. Traces of Love
05. She Twists the Night Again
06. She Moved Through The Fair
07. Turning of the Tide
08. Greenback Dollar
09. A Walk In The Dark
10. Girls On My Mind
11. Tiny Town
12. Dirty Old Town
13. Road To Nowhere
14. Rockin' In The Free World
15. Who Were You Thinking Of/96 Tears
16. Dirty Old Town
17. Psycho Killer

07-04-1982 Dutch Radio

01. Psycho Killer
02. Once in a Lifetime
03. Mind
04. My Big Hands
05. Cities
06. Houses in Motion
07. Life during Wartime
08. Take me to the River

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