Grateful Dead

New Vines 2009

With collaboration from various kind folks in the vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowledgeable and capable of copying audio CD's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:

Flac Format

SHN Format


VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within (where all the vine forums exist) SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media) PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up Post when a vine arrives ; Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):

1. Check the Vinedex (updated from time to time, but may be out of date) to make sure it hasn't already been vined. Note - not everything is fair game for vining. Check the following before vining anything:

a) The Vinedex

b) Dicks Picks

c) Other Live Albums

d) Download Series

If it's not in those places, it is generally fair game. No copyrighted material, please Taper friendly bands only. (Marye may veto a particular vine for copyright or similar reasons.)

2. Post your vine info here (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info. No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored


1. Find a VINE you want to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5. Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post

6. When the vine arrives, post to (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Take care of the media - don't scratch 'em or crack 'em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

8. Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, PM the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

9. Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling apart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.

10. AFTER you mail it, post on (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM them. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they don't, PM the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about what you're doing. This is very important. It's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on. It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff."

Life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Sometimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just disappear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.


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Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
New Year 2009 vine

Jackie Greene 31st december 2009
Billy k 29th December 2009
Phil and Friends 30th December 2009
31st December 2009
Ratdog 30th december 2009
31st december 2009

full details on Seperate post

Sign Ups


first person PM me with postage details so i can get them off

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Spanish Jam

Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
Hi stuman

good to be back

don't seem to be able to multi post now


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Spanish Jam

Joined: Nov 21 2007
Hey Bob

It`s nice to see you around here again .. I missed your double and triple posts , lol ...
Thank you for all your contributions to this magical place !!

Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
College of William & Mary '73

12th is on Eurovine no 3


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Spanish Jam

Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
College of William & Mary '73

These are great shows, some of these shows have been vineed already will check out what

if not will bear it in mind, i do have the shows


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Spanish Jam

Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007

i will check them out, along with many others



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Spanish Jam

Birdsong1969NJ's picture
Joined: Jul 7 2008
Spectrum suggestions.

4/7/85 and or 4/8/85' . Those shows kicked ass. 4/7 with the annual Philly Shakedown and 4/8 opens Midnight Hour->Walkin' the Dog and second set Revolution->Bucket. It is a great Bobby show. I would love to add quality recordings of those shows to my collection.

"I had a hard run, runnin' from your window."

UncleJon's picture
Joined: Jun 26 2007
College of William & Mary '73

I propose the following:

College of William and Mary
Williamsburg, VA

Source: SBD

Disc 1:
1. The Promised Land
2. Sugaree
3. The Race Is On
4. Loser
5. Looks Like Rain
6. Tennessee Jed
7. Jack Straw
8. China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider
9. El Paso

Disc 2:

1. Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo
2. Playing In The Band

3. Let Me Sing Your Blues Away
4. Weather Report Suite Prelude >
5. Weather Report Suite Part 1 >
6. Let It Grow
7. Row Jimmy
8. Big River

Disc 3:

1. Deal
2. Beat It On Down The Line
3. Dark Star
4. Morning Dew
5. Sugar Magnolia

Comments: The whole things sound great. Truly one of the better Dead shows
I've heard in a while. At the end of Dark Star during Lesh's solo, there is
some mic crackle (overload?) for 5 secs. In Sugar Mag at 4:08, there is a
sound cut in, maybe a mixing problem. I've only listened to disc 3 super
critically. Enjoy

College Of William & Mary
Williamsburg, VA


Disc One
Set I

Mexicali Blues
Brown Eyed Women
El Paso
Don’t Ease me In
Looks Like Rain
Beer Barrel Polka equipment break
Ramble On Rose
Me & My Uncle
Bird Song
Jack Straw

Set II
Loose Lucy
Big River

Disc Two
Set II (Continued)

Row Jimmy
Let Me Sing Your Blues Away *
Weather Report Suite Prelude > *
Weather Report Suite Part 1 > *
Let It Grow *
Around & Around
Eyes Of The World >
Stella Blue
Beat It on Down the Line
Casey Jones

E) One More Saturday Night

* With Martin Fierro & Joe Ellis on Horns

notes: The first 5 tunes of Set I suffer a variety of flaws due to equipment problems and a degraded MR.
Bertha has a tough start and nastiness at 03:53 that lasts for 30 secs
El Paso has a glitch at 00:14
Here Comes Sunshine is missing altogether
In spite of the burps, hiccups and farts, this show is worth a listen.

This would be in both Audio CD and SHN/FLAC format. While the 2nd show has some technical difficulties, it is still worth listenin' too!

Sunshine-daydream1951's picture
Joined: Jun 5 2007
Spectrum Vine

i am going to put a vine together of the dead at the spectrum over the years.

anyone has any suggestions for shows let me know. I have loads to listen to and sort out


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Spanish Jam

free idea's picture
Joined: Aug 11 2008
a humble question about October 1994

I have only seen 10/13/94 being vined. While this was a tremendous show, fun from start
to fnish, I am wondering about why the other shows in this run are not vined. Does everybody
have great copies, except me? I would really like to be able to re-experence:
10/1/04 Boston Mass
10/2/94 Boston Mass
10/10/94 Landover Md
10/14/94 NY NY
If I have missed something, wuold someone pm me, and fill me in to where I should be
looking? And if these are not going to show up in the vineyard, can somebody help me
out personally? The only shows I have to offer as trade, are from the vines here on . Thank you to the keepers of the music f.i.


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