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Love that CosmicBadger

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(we're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND:
The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:

Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowlegable and capable of copying audio CD's.  Other vines are in DVD format, which means you at least need the capability of reading a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Help is readily available - just ask. Here are some helpful links:
Flac Format
SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist)

SEEDER::  A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media)

PM:  Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net

SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING:  The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up  Post when a vine arrives ;  Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):


1. Check the vinedex to make sure it hasn't already been vined. (notoriously out of date)
2. Post your vine info (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.
3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area    (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)
4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up
NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info.
No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:


1. Notice a VINE that you would like to sign-up for.
2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)
3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.
4 Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)
6 Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post
7 When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.
8 Take care of the media - don't scratch em or crack em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine
9 Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, pm the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)
10 Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling appart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.
11 AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. it is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, PM t hem. If no response, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they dont, pm the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) aboutwhat you're doing - this is very important. it's the only way we know what's going on.
2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on.


It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff"

life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Somtimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just dissapear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their
name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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Vining on deadnet - The Complete Works

Beautiful work erickat. Thank you for your efforts.
May the garden grow and continue to enrich our lives.

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this looks great

amazing work, but one tiny correction

For audio vines that are on DVDs your computer does not need to be able to copy DVDs, it only needs to be able to read DVDs.

I think this misunderstanding is stopping a lot of people getting on the SHN/FLAC DVD bus

greetings to all viners from Aceh in Sumatra, Indonesia!!

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let me try that once more

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(we're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND:
The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:

Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowlegable and capable of copying audio CD's.  Other vines are in DVD format, which means you need the capability of copying a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats. Here are helpful links:
Flac Format
SHN Format

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD: A topic within Dead.net (where all the vine forums exist)

SEEDER::  A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media)

PM:  Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net

SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package. Note - Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING:  The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important) Post to sign-up  Post when a vine arrives ;  Post after a vine is sent.

New VINE Process (changes for 2009):


1. Check the vinedex to make sure it hasn't already been vined. (notoriously out of date)
2. Post your vine info (without signup list) - maybe include a note reminding people not to sign-up until it has its own topic.
3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area    (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)
4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up
NOTE - to make it easier on Marye, you could also PM her with the info.
No early sign-ups - Any sign-ups before the vine has its own home will be ignored

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:


1. Notice a VINE that you would like to sign-up for.
2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)
3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.
4 Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea) (it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)
6 Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post
7 When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.
8 Take care of the media - don't scratch em or crack em or put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine
9 Make a copy for yourself & mail the ORIGINALS to the next person on the list.(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them. If no response after 3 or 4 days, pm the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)
10 Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it. We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling appart and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're securely taped & properly addressed.
11 AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list. it is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Post messages to the vine upon receipt and again, after you have sent it on.

TROUBLESHOOTING:


1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, then PM the following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they dont, pm the next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) aboutwhat you're doing - this is very important. it's the only way we know what's going on.
2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on.


It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" - "and by the way - it's all small stuff"

life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Somtimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk. This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just dissapear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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i hope that's a final version - i think i got everyone's changes in. If not, we'll do it again.
Marye, I'll PM you the html

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Excellent job, gentlemen,

your efforts are right on-target and much appreciated. I think these explanations and updates will help answer questions and maybe even be able to keep old farts like me on-track! Kudos

The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

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I second that

Thanks erickat, cosmicbadger

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I think you got it

Just do away with the part about presignup and also maybe suggest looking at the vinedex, even though it is not up to date. I still can't beleive that cosmicbadger did all that work for us and he didn't even get many of these as he is in Europe. I miss him and sunshinedaydream around here.

So a thank you for past work to cosmicbadger and to erickat for a fantastic job today.

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake

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the early signups will be confusing

i didn't get to finish all the formatting before i had to leave, but i think if we post the vines in the new vines area, people are going to sign up & then not understand why they aren't on the list when the vine gets its own topic. However, we do need a place to discuss them - so I'm ok with it either way.

Vinedex is a Cosmic Badger invention & gets updated periodically - so it's definitely out of date, but still a useful tool.

What we could do, that might make it easier would be to do both - pm Marye, so she doesn't have to look through the new vines area, and post the vine in the new vines area, with a note not to sign up until it gets its own topic. I know I've done that a couple of times & think it made it easier -especially when things were all tangled up.

I'll take another shot at it, with the modifications suggested above. Thanks to all - it's a collaborative effort.

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Nice Job erickat

Thank-you for your hard work. Please PM me with the secret of "Drupals HTML formatting capabilities" ;-))

The only thing I may request is in the new vine section, please add a link to this page
http://www.deaddisc.com/GDFD_Dead_By_Date.htm
It is the most up to date list of "official" releases and an invaluable resource to make sure we do not step on our hosts toes.

As far as the vindex goes cosmicbadger drops on by some times to up date it. It is a great guide to help in not double vineing a show but some times a previously vined show may just fit perfectly into a new vine. Some times older vines just go missing and if it gets recycled into a new offering so much the better.

AND THANK-YOU to everyone here, this is a wonderful community we have. Just look at the work we are doing together.
Peace
Rick

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Right on erickat!

Man you go to work for 12 hours and a couple of pages fly by.

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