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I'm always first because I have no life...

...and I check "all recent posts" about a hundred times a day ;^)

That vindex is going to be way out of date by now, for sure.

Thanks for all the work, erickat, certainly better than I would have been able to do

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I kind of agree with stuman

let's discourage this pre-signup business; it'll end in tears.

As to whether the new topics are posted here or sent to me in PMs, I thought we'd decided on the former, but either's fine with me.

Fabulous job, erickat.

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wow that looks good Erickat

You have put a lot of work into this !! Looks good too .. However the pre-sign up ? that may get to some folks , like , why is whoever allways first on new vines ? some folks might have that question in mind . and the vinedex hasn`t had a posting since Nov 5. so it`s not current . so my question is, who and how is going to maintain the vinedex ? should we post to the vinedex when we post a new vine ? see we can`t do that ,, not many people will want to do that ,,crap we can`t get some of the veterans here to post or reply to PM`s .. Just my thoughts here .. seriousley this does look really nice Erickat ..
Just what some of the new folks need , some direction in the vineyard .. Thank you Erickat !!

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Testing Drupals HTML formatting capabilities

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(we're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND:

The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means
(e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:

Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowlegable and capable of copying audio cd's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you need the capability of copying a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats
Flac Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
SHN Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten

It is also critical that you are able to properly package
& mail the media.

DEFINITIONS:

VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from person to person

VINEYARD:  This topic area in Dead.net (where the vine topics exist)

SEEDER:   A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media)

PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net

SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package.

Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few pages from the end to find it.

POSTING:  The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important)     
Post to sign-up
Post when a vine arrives
Post after a vine is sent.

STARTING A VINE (NEW):

NOTE - while we can still discuss vines in the "new vines" topic, we will not sign up for them until Marye has given them a proper home (their own forum topic).


1. Check the vinedex to make sure it hasn't already been vined. http://www.dead.net/forum/vindex


2. PM Marye with the contents of the vine.


3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)


4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up.

Note - if you want to pre-sign up someone, send that request to Marye in the original PM  

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:


1. Notice a VINE that you would like to sign-up for.


2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.


4 Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address.


Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea)
(it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need
to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)


6 Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically, so you know if someone is looking for you AND so you know when to expect each vine's arrival. Remember,
if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know... it
will look like you were the one that dropped the ball. If you don't receive a
vine when you thought it was coming, then Post.


7 When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.


8 Take care of the media - don't scratch em or crack em or put your fingerprints all over them -
clean media means a longer lived vine


9 Make a copy for yourself & mail the originals to the next person on the list.
(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them
If no response after 3 or 4 days, pm the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)


10 Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it.
We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling appart
and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're
securely taped & properly addressed.


11 AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it to the next person on the list.

RESPONSIBILITY:

It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating
its arrival. Posting messages to the vine when you receive a vine and again,
after you have sent it to the next person, is critical.

TROUBLESHOOTING:

1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, then PM the
following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they dont, pm the
next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) aboutwhat you're doing - this is very important. it's the only way we know what's
going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM
the person who was going to send it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances, so everyone knows what is going on.

It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just
knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard
feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR

As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" -

"and by the way - it's all small stuff"

life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick -
people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially
when it's all free. Somtimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived
or re-seeded by kind folk.

This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community
I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music
flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can
re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal
attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why
people just dissapear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they
did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be
removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

Hope this looks ok - i'm out of time - this was just a test of formatting anyway

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Great Job Erickat.

My only comment concerns initialy pm'ing Mary with the vine info. I thought we will propose the vines on the new vine topic, maybe have some discussions about it, and just wait until Mary assigns a topic to it before we sign up.

If I misunderstood, I apologize, but I thought this was what would make it easiest for Mary. Obviously either way is cool with me.

Otherwise, it looks fine.

"Let there be songs to fill the air."

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Version 3 - sorry - i had some typos

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(we're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND:
-----------------------
The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows, and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:
------------------------------------------
Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowlegable and capable of copying audio cd's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you need the capability of copying a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats
Flac Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
SHN Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten

It is also critical that you are able to properly package & mail the media.

DEFINITIONS:
--------------------
VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from
person to person

VINEYARD: This topic area in Dead.net (where the vine topics exist)

SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media)

PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net

SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package.
Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few
pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important)
Post to sign-up
Post when a vine arrives
Post after a vine is sent.

STARTING A VINE (NEW):
---------------------------------------

NOTE - while we can still discuss vines in the "new vines" topic, we will not sign up for them until Marye has given them a proper home (their own forum topic).

1. Check the vinedex to make sure it hasn't already been vined.
http://www.dead.net/forum/vindex

2. PM Marye with the contents of the vine.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list
and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up.

Note - if you want to pre-sign up someone, you can send that request to Marye in the original PM.

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:
---------------------------------------

1. Notice a VINE that you would like to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address.

5. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea)
(it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need
to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5.5 Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically,
so you know if someone is looking for you AND
so you know when to expect each vine's arrival.

Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know...
it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball.
If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post.

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

6.5 - Take care of the media - don't scratch em or crack em or
put your fingerprints all over them - clean media means a longer lived vine

7. Make a copy for yourself & mail the originals to the next person on the list.
(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them.
If no response after 3 or 4 days, pm the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

7.5 Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it.
We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling appart,
and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're
securely taped & properly addressed.

8. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it
to the next person.

RESPONSIBILITY:
--------------------------
It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Posting messages to the vine when you receive a vine and again, after you have sent it to the next person, is critical.

TROUBLESHOOTING:
--------------------------------
1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, then PM the
following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they dont, pm the
next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about
what you're doing - this is very important. it's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send
it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances,
so everyone knows what is going on.

It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR
----------------------------
As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" -
"and by the way - it's all small stuff"

life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Somtimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk.

This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just dissapear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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Version 2 - feel free to correct / add / edit

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(we're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND:
-----------------------
The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows, and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS:
------------------------------------------
Many vines are in audio CD format, so the minimum basic requirement is that you are knowlegable and capable of copying audio cd's. Other vines are in DVD format, which means you need the capability of copying a DVD. Yet others are in SHN or FLAC format- if you sign up for one of these, you need to know how to deal with those formats
Flac Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
SHN Format - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorten

It is also critical that you are able to properly package & mail the media.

DEFINITIONS:
--------------------
VINE: An original physical package of music or video (cd's/dvd's) being passed from
person to person

VINEYARD: This topic area in Dead.net (where the vine topics exist)

SEEDER: A person who initiates a vine (creates the original "seed" media)

PM: Short for "Private Message" - communication provided through dead.net

SIGNUP LIST: The list of people who sign up to receive the package.
Be careful to get the most up to date version - you may have to go back a few
pages from the end to find it.

POSTING: The act of leaving a message in a forum (very important)
Post to sign-up
Post when a vine arrives
Post after a vine is sent.

STARTING A VINE (NEW):
---------------------------------------

NOTE - while we can still discuss vines in the "new vines" topic, we will not sign up for them until Marye has given them a proper home (their own forum topic).

1. Check the vinedex to make sure it hasn't already been vined.
http://www.dead.net/forums/dead-heads/tapers/vineyard?page=5

2. PM Marye with the contents of the vine.

3. Marye creates a forum topic with the vine info & a blank sign-up list
and posts a link in the new vines area (e.g. VINE XXXX Lives HERE - with a link)

4. Then people go to that vine & start signing up.

Note - if you want to pre-sign up someone, you can send that request to Marye in the original PM.

SIGNING UP FOR A VINE:
---------------------------------------

1. Notice a VINE that you would like to sign-up for.

2. Locate the most recent and most complete LIST (towards the end of the vine)

3. Copy the list & paste it into a new message, adding your username at the bottom.

4. Post the message & PM the person directly before you with your name & mailing address.

5. Note the fact that you signed up for this vine (a spreadsheet is a good idea)
(it can take a long time between when you sign up and when it arrives, so you really need
to track what you're on the hook for & when to expect it- it's a responsibility)

5.5 Check your PM inbox and the vines you've signed up for periodically,
so you know if someone is looking for you AND
so you know when to expect each vine's arrival.

Remember, if someone posts that they sent it to you & that's the last we know...
it will look like you were the one that dropped the ball.
If you don't receive a vine when you thought it was coming, then Post.

6. When the vine arrives, post to dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you received it.

7. Make a copy for yourself & mail the originals to the next person on the list.
(If the person directly behind you on the list hasn't sent you their address, PM them.
If no response after 3 or 4 days, pm the next in line - but post to the vine so people know)

7.5 Please make sure to properly package and address the media before mailing it.
We have had some unfortunate losses, due to bad addresses, packages falling appart,
and just plain lost in the mail. Padded envelopes are cheap - and make sure they're
securely taped & properly addressed.

8. AFTER you mail it, post on dead.net (on the appropriate vine) that you have sent it
to the next person.

RESPONSIBILITY:
--------------------------
It is your responsibility to remember what you sign up for and be anticipating its arrival. Posting messages to the vine when you receive a vine and again, after you have sent it to the next person, is critical.

TROUBLESHOOTING:
--------------------------------
1. If you did not receive a PM or email from the person who is next on the list, then PM the
following person for an address and send it to them, if they respond. If they dont, pm the
next person - but in any case, make a posting on Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) about
what you're doing - this is very important. it's the only way we know what's going on.

2. If you were expecting a vine and did not receive it - PM the person who was going to send
it to you. In any event, post to Dead.Net (on the appropriate vine) with the circumstances,
so everyone knows what is going on.

It can't be overstated how important POSTING is - just knowing what is going on will prevent speculation, accusations & hard feelings.

CAVEAT EMPTOR
----------------------------
As a friend of mine always says ... "don't sweat the small stuff" -
"and by the way - it's all small stuff"

life happens - car accidents, arrests, people get sick - people abscond - but you can't get overly upset about any of it, especially when it's all free. Somtimes vines disappear - and many times, they are revived or re-seeded by kind folk.

This is the most unrestrictive & trusting vine community I know of - and the reason we emphasize posting is so we can keep the music flowing - not to accuse or condemn. If we know a vine is lost, then someone can re-seed and keep the music going. Nobody should get upset or make personal attacks over what happens here. In the past, we've had all sorts of reasons why people just dissapear - and when they came back, we were overjoyed that they did. Sometimes, if a person is known to be unreliable, their name will be removed from the vine lists - but that's a rare occurrence.

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OK - that's my 2nd effort - you guys can run with it from here - I think i captured everyone's comments. someone may be able to put some better words in the Caveat Emptor section

Thanks
Eric

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hold

I'll hold off on posting any new vine until "things" are worked out. Erikat did a bloody good job, although some of it reads like a Victorian funeral notice. But bloody good nonetheless. I would add something about taking good care of the discs. Keeping the discs in good condition is critical in maintaining a long & healthy vine life cycle (don't crack em' or scratch em'). Lastly, I would add something about enforcement. Those who fail to abide by the rules will be hunted down by a posse of vine detectives.

"I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do"--Lion Wizard of Oz

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erickat

I would also add something about the procedure for starting a new vine.

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Looks pretty straightforward to me

Let it roll, erickat.

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