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What's Up?

Can't seem to post to this thread (mods may delete as necessary - thx)....

"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him."

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Also...

...just to clarify (and not contradict), Phil and his web site does not provide downloads but rather links to the sites where fans upload shows for other fans to download via FTP, peer to peer, via third party software, which is usually free (complicated? sounds worse than reality). They do maintain a "store" of sorts, which sells their stuff and music, as well. Maintaining a site to provide download material is not easy and can contain much liability and expense. Bobby's site uses a 3rd party (with separate web site) for purchased downloads. I only point this out because my idea is that some folks here are under the wrong impression, regarding downloads, and where they really come from, either free or purchased. This comment contains no implication in regards to the ongoing arguments here at dead.net, pro or con, on the case now referred to as: Downloads (MP3's) - vs - Streaming; Tapers Section; Fans - vs - Fans - vs - Rhino - vs - Blackwater - vs - Freedom - vs - Profits - vs - Prophets. The Supreme Court is expected to hear arguments on accepting or rejecting arguments to allow the case to be presented for consideration but first must rule on arguments that any information contained in the case may present a threat to national security. Some insiders have indicated that The Court may first decriminalize marijuana so that they can get stoned (to-the-BeJesus) to relieve the mind numbing effects of having thousands of tie-dyed hippies, completely out of sync, argue for months, on the issue of which format is actually "Lossless" and more agreeable to current forms of home entertainment technology. We will report more as the facts are available.

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no problem!

it's good that we were able to get the real story, which we wouldn't have if you hadn't raised the issue!

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maybe my mistake, but

i heard a rumor to that effect somewhere, but am glad to know the taping goes on. i should know better than to pay attention to the rumor mill.

nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile

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and now, the definitive word

Just heard back from JC again, after he'd talked to an actual taper. (JC has been rather mystified by the question to begin with, since he says no one else complained and Phil is passionate about getting the music out there, but said he'd look into it.)

Bottom line: there WAS taping at the Greek; there was a taping section right behind the soundboard, much as in the olden days.

Now true, there were scary signs at the entrances, but it would appear that tapers got their stuff through just fine. If you or someone you know had a different experience, please advise (or head over to phillesh.net and post the particulars, as I think they'd take a pretty lively interest in the matter).

Thank you for raising the issue. JC and I haven't talked this much in years!

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reporting back

Inquiries are ongoing, but I got a response back from JC Juanis in the Phil camp. He says the no-taping thing is certainly news to him and that there was certainly taping going on in Santa Barbara. He's looking into it, being in Denver at the moment, and as soon as I hear from him I'll post further.

My guess at the time was that the fairly draconian sign (which didn't just prohibit recording devices, it prohibited even still cameras, not just video cameras--so people used their phones a lot...) was boilerplate of the venue/Another Planet, and no one thought to make an issue of it and change it beforehand. But when I learn more I'll pass it along.

Meanwhile, I guess the practical significance of this for those of you with tix on the tour is that you might do well to check the policy of the venue beforehand and if they're a problem, head over to phillesh.net and get in touch.

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thanks marye

nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile

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now true

there's no sign of shows from this tour.

I'll go see if there's an official answer, but I'm pretty darn sure Rhino's got nothing to do with this particular situation. If I learn anything useful I'll report back.

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well...

I don't have any inside knowledge here, but my guess is that it's something to do with the fact that Phil himself has been providing free downloads of full shows on his own site for quite a few years now, with no pachyderms involved: http://www.phillesh.net/philzonepages/friends_stuff/download.html

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MAY HAVE MISSED THIS BEFORE, BUT...

why did phil stop letting folks tape the shows???? i'm sure it is not so much phil, but the fab fellas at rhino.
am i close???

nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile

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