well, far be it from me to be a tease...
your wishes are my command.
however, contrary to posts that've been misinterpreted before, this video (in my opinion) is not intended to denounce religion or claim there is no God.
i do believe there is a God, but not necessarily in the popular form so worshipped today.
there is no doubt that many working in various religions around the world are selfless, honest and do more for humankind that either i, or very possibly, you, the good people on the forums.
i do feel that if the Catholic Church were to really listen to what Mr. Fry & Mr. Hitchens had to say, and offer the kind of apologies that we would be so quick to give, then the world would be a better place.
this is in no way intended to poke fun or belittle people's faith. these videos deal with facts that desperately need addressing. i think any moral, right-minded person would agree.
i'm not an atheist and never will be. i'm not an "anything".
please everyone think clearly before ripping it apart.
i can see no reason why science and spirituality aren't the very best of bedfellows.
let us remember that by only focusing on "intelligence" , one can be just as guilty and blinkered as another party.
Hell In A Bucket? Death Don't Have No Mercy? A Closer Look Reveals The Human Race?
Anyone else got an idea?
Obviously the blurb should indicate that all points of view are fair game, discussion encouraged, but flaming, hate speech and ad hominem attacks, no.
if such a place existed, what would you call it?
You mean I'm the only one who actually got to see it? Cogent, eloquent and quite pointed, as usual. Any chance our good friend The Pancake Man might be persuaded to provide the URL via PM to anyone requesting it? Nudge, nudge...
I was contemplating posting here after viewing, but then remembered that I tend to not contribute to this thread for very much the same reason as I don't use lavatories bearing the sign, "Women." People who find value in Religion and Spirituality deserve to have a place where they can discuss those issues in an unmolested way.
I don't know if there's much demand for it, but perhaps another thread for more general philosophy would be an appropriate place for those who have no use for Religion and don't mind saying so. Yes, I know it smacks of the ugly "separate but equal" thing, but also provides a modicum of respect to both the pro- and anti- camps.
Now, which way is it to the Gents?
Going to save the video to watch later...gone!
But as I'm in Mr. Badger's camp, it likely was preaching to the choir. Ouch! I couldn't come up with a different, somewhat less loaded, cliche after that one got in my head.
Actually, I tuned back in expecting a firestorm...not disappointed, much.
aloha from limbo (betwixt and between London & Yokohama)!!!
yes, even though i meant the video as a genuine starting point for discussion, not an argument against, i felt i would have to clarify to whomever commented.
i didn't want to start any long-running back-and-forths; i've learned that no matter how one frames a point of view, this subject will usually be taken too seriously and mis-interpretation will, alas, be inevitable.
a shame as i think Hitchen was less bullish than usual and posed some very pertinent points.
i guess i'm getting too old for confrontation or tiring of explanation. things like this will always be taken out of context.
my life is getting too short....
so you thought better of it did you? Would not have offended me..but then I am an insensitive atheist...
Greetings from Hanoi!
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