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My god...

well, not really but this picture is close! (I received this pic attached to a "chain" type email - not my "dogs" but I wish)

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"You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music."

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Flaming Lips

Trifecta - They're awesome in concert so check them out if you get an opportunity. I saw them at Bonnaroo last year and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. My arms were exhausted from batting these huge (the size of VW's) orange balloons that rained on the crowd the ENTIRE show. They also passed out these lasers and, on cue, thousands of crazed audience members shot them into this disc Wayne Coyne was holding and he morphed into a psychedelic creature of some kind ; - ) All this on top of a "sound check" an hour before their show actually started of "War Pigs" that was totally off the HOOK. I'm so jealous you have access to these guys but I will say that Wayne is one of the most approachable guys in this business.

"You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music."

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Trifecta

I'm not trying to ruin your mood in the least, I'm just saying that Abraham did NOT kill any of his children. Isaac ( the boy you were talking about) lived to be 180 years old & had two sons of his own. Esau & Jacob. I was only saying you misunderstood what you read. Read it again if your still not following me. Now have a Lovely day!

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Abe and Isaac

Bible scholar I ain't but I am sure Abraham did not kill his son. He was willing to for sure but God backed down at the last minute and they killed a ram instead.

The OT is great reading if you can set aside all the baggage attached to it and treat it as a book of legends like the Iliad or King Arthur or Beowolf.

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iknowurider

thank you for your post and thanks for your insight. All are welcome.

i have to catch a flight now.

peace

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Abraham

This is what caused me to turn away from organized religion. What iknowyourider stated in the above post is completely true!!! But all of the versions of this story are different. They were all borrowed from the ancient Hebrew texts and from the Pagans before them. The story has changed and morphed into iknowyourider saying that i misunderstood the verses. Check out the Koran on this story and you will find a different son and hints at what i am stating above.

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Abraham

Please then who did he kill his 2 year old sun for? The crazy voices he heard? Yes the so called voices told him to murder his 2 year old sun for what.....................? I will let you tell the rest Iknowyourider. Maybe is was not for "GOD" personally, but this crazy voice in his head told him to kill kill and draw blood from his own child. To me this is a crime and should be punished and anyone who condons such an act should be questioned.

I was brought up a catholic and was in church every Sunday and when i went to my grandparents house (on my fathers side) and misbehaved i would have to kneel and pray until i repented my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why i do truly believe that Religion is a form of child abuse. My case is miner and laughable but what about being stoned or whipped? This happens still today in many religions. I am in a very good mood so I do not want to go into this to much right now.

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Hey Trifecta :-)

Growing up in the Bible Belt, going to church everytime the doors were opened,(which I stopped doing when my Free Will counted for something). I've always asked myself & others " How do we know "We're" right?" After much reading on multitudes of Relgions ~ & still having plenty more to learn about them.
The Answer for me is, Faith & is Faith.Your Higher Power is just that, put a name on it, fine, but I think in the End words are just Words.
BTW ~ Abraham did not Kill his Son for God, I think you misunderstood those verses.

"Believe it if you need it
If you don't, just Pass it On....."

PEACE

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Flaming Lips

See this is what i mean.

I have a good friend and he was one of my closest friends (both Shane and his twine Shawn were both my closet friends) when i was living in Portland Oregon. Shane used to work for Phish and both Shawn and Shane are very good friends and i still consider them to be family. We have been back in contact recently which is very cool. Thanks to these 2 wonderful individuals i was able to spend a lot of time in the Clinic (Phish back stage) and had comped tickets for all the shows and just had to walk up to the ticket office with my ID. This went on for a few years until i had to walk away from it all. Ah those were the good old days!!!! We have had some very testing times together and have seen the other side together so to speak. Well Shane now works for the Flaming Lips and he has sent me some very strong emails on how the Flaming Lips are such a good bunch of people and that their music is inspirational. Honestly i took his word but never really listened to the music and as i have tried to meet up with him on tour in Europe (but has not worked out) have never seen them live. Ok i will check these guys out. They have been around for about 10 years or so right?

GRTUD: I love this discussion!!!!!!

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Night And Day

Thanks Trifecta! Grate story and isn't life ironic?
You're correct in regards to dualism (I think - I'm no expert on these issues, by any means). I always think of The Flaming Lips song, "Do You Realize" when Jesus is used as a weapon against "sinners" for everything from free thinking to making mistakes in our attempt to understand ourselves and the universe, in general. The song references the fact that there is no "night", (the sun doesn't go 'down') because "it's just an illusion caused by the Earth spinning 'round". The sun keeps shinning (for now, anyways ; - ). Whatever or whoever Jesus was, that's how the message resonates with me. "Take the good, leave the rest" is my philosophy. In science, all minds are utilized to make achievements, even those folks that are ultimately "wrong".

"You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music."

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