With northern Irish tonight, who were telling me that Americans were stupid!! Fuck the Irish!!! (only from experience my friends)
Had a Religious conversation with a bunch of Northern Irish fucks tonight and this only proves that religion or faith is man mad. There is no doubt in my being that this religious shit is completely man made!! These ass holes where so off course that they should have there words spoke into a public Sphere but of course they did not want to do such a thing. Religion is man made and if you have a story then lets you and me sit face to face and we will find the truth!!! We are here and now and should be proud of it!!!!!!!!! and there are many stories to be told and not to be dictated!!
Can i get an Amen to that!!!
Iknowyourider: Yes you’re right sorry i misread and had to reread and refresh my memory. But what i meant by the last entry is that all the monotheisms have a different story about this special occasion. (Lunatic ridge comes to mind)
Anyway there is a good point here:
"The shedding of blood, which is insisted upon at circumcision ceremonies, is most probably a symbolic survival from the animal and human sacrifices which were such a feature of the gore-soaked landscape of the Old Testament. By adhering to the practice, parents could offer to sacrifice a part of the child as a stand in for the whole. (Thanks to the story of Abraham)
Abraham’s decision to circumcise his SLAVES as well as his male household was a side issue or perhaps an effect of enthusiasm, since these non-Jews were not part of the covenant. But he did circumcise his son Ishmael (which according to the Koran was the son offered up for sacrifice to God and i also thought was terminated but spared) who was then 13. (Ishmael only had to part with half of his foreskin: According to the Old Testament, his younger brother Isaac-oddly described as Abraham's "only" son in Genesis 22 was circumcised when he was eight days old but later offered as a sacrifice in his whole person.
Contradictions and of course only man can contradict himself. I give both the Old Testament and New Testament a big stamp. MADE BY MAN TO CONTROL OTHER MAN.
we are all the chosen one's, it just depends on where you are born as to what religion you are indoctorated in, when it comes down to it, do not all religions TEACH the basic principles of good and evil. so why is one better than another? CONTROL of the masses is what organized religion is all about to me, personally i don't like to be controlled, but some do and thats fine, whatever gets you through life, but please, practice what you preach.
peace, love and understanding
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I'm not trying to ruin your mood in the least, I'm just saying that Abraham did NOT kill any of his children. Isaac ( the boy you were talking about) lived to be 180 years old & had two sons of his own. Esau & Jacob. I was only saying you misunderstood what you read. Read it again if your still not following me. Now have a Lovely day!
Bible scholar I ain't but I am sure Abraham did not kill his son. He was willing to for sure but God backed down at the last minute and they killed a ram instead.
The OT is great reading if you can set aside all the baggage attached to it and treat it as a book of legends like the Iliad or King Arthur or Beowolf.
thank you for your post and thanks for your insight. All are welcome.
i have to catch a flight now.
This is what caused me to turn away from organized religion. What iknowyourider stated in the above post is completely true!!! But all of the versions of this story are different. They were all borrowed from the ancient Hebrew texts and from the Pagans before them. The story has changed and morphed into iknowyourider saying that i misunderstood the verses. Check out the Koran on this story and you will find a different son and hints at what i am stating above.
Please then who did he kill his 2 year old sun for? The crazy voices he heard? Yes the so called voices told him to murder his 2 year old sun for what.....................? I will let you tell the rest Iknowyourider. Maybe is was not for "GOD" personally, but this crazy voice in his head told him to kill kill and draw blood from his own child. To me this is a crime and should be punished and anyone who condons such an act should be questioned.
I was brought up a catholic and was in church every Sunday and when i went to my grandparents house (on my fathers side) and misbehaved i would have to kneel and pray until i repented my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why i do truly believe that Religion is a form of child abuse. My case is miner and laughable but what about being stoned or whipped? This happens still today in many religions. I am in a very good mood so I do not want to go into this to much right now.