During a Papal audience, a business man approached the Pope with this offer: Change the last line of the Lord's prayer from "Give us this day our daily bread" to "Give us this day our daily chicken." and KFC will donate 10 million dollars to Catholic charities every year.
The Pope declined.
Two weeks later the man approached the Pope with a yearly 50 million dollar offer. Again the Pope declined.
A month later the man offers a yearly 100 million to charities.
This time the Pope accepts.
At a meeting of the Cardinals, The Pope announces his decision. "The good news is we have 100 million dollars for our charities every year. The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account."
I kind of agree when you say that religion is man made. When you think of it, we all came from the same place, plants, animals, humans whatever, we are all connected as we all started out the same. The only thing that seperates us from other mammals is that we are the only ones to come up with the idea of a future, thus, the human race grew. There were more ideas like this one to come along as a sort of subsystem for the future. To me, religion is just another little subsystem that make up the future. It's like that one atom that multiplied to create the human race.
Because of this, I have always thought that the idea of religion is not really about any sort of God. To me it is what you believe in the end that is true and you follow one God because that's what you saw somebody else believe to be true. So in a sense, religion is just your own idea, or the idea of another. For example, if you believe that life after death is to go to Heaven, than you will end up in your own sort of idea of Heaven. If you believe that life after death is to come back in another life, then you would do just that. Maybe you think that it is a combination of the two ideas, and your idea of Heaven is just to live the life of cat, then that is where you will ultimately be.
It is also with this idea that we have to be kind to the earth as we are all just a subsystem in another subsystem in another subsystem... The earth is seamless, meaning that everything we do as an individual affects everything else on this pretty 'lil planet of ours...
Peace and love to all,
With northern Irish tonight, who were telling me that Americans were stupid!! Fuck the Irish!!! (only from experience my friends)
Had a Religious conversation with a bunch of Northern Irish fucks tonight and this only proves that religion or faith is man mad. There is no doubt in my being that this religious shit is completely man made!! These ass holes where so off course that they should have there words spoke into a public Sphere but of course they did not want to do such a thing. Religion is man made and if you have a story then lets you and me sit face to face and we will find the truth!!! We are here and now and should be proud of it!!!!!!!!! and there are many stories to be told and not to be dictated!!
Can i get an Amen to that!!!
Iknowyourider: Yes you’re right sorry i misread and had to reread and refresh my memory. But what i meant by the last entry is that all the monotheisms have a different story about this special occasion. (Lunatic ridge comes to mind)
Anyway there is a good point here:
"The shedding of blood, which is insisted upon at circumcision ceremonies, is most probably a symbolic survival from the animal and human sacrifices which were such a feature of the gore-soaked landscape of the Old Testament. By adhering to the practice, parents could offer to sacrifice a part of the child as a stand in for the whole. (Thanks to the story of Abraham)
Abraham’s decision to circumcise his SLAVES as well as his male household was a side issue or perhaps an effect of enthusiasm, since these non-Jews were not part of the covenant. But he did circumcise his son Ishmael (which according to the Koran was the son offered up for sacrifice to God and i also thought was terminated but spared) who was then 13. (Ishmael only had to part with half of his foreskin: According to the Old Testament, his younger brother Isaac-oddly described as Abraham's "only" son in Genesis 22 was circumcised when he was eight days old but later offered as a sacrifice in his whole person.
Contradictions and of course only man can contradict himself. I give both the Old Testament and New Testament a big stamp. MADE BY MAN TO CONTROL OTHER MAN.
we are all the chosen one's, it just depends on where you are born as to what religion you are indoctorated in, when it comes down to it, do not all religions TEACH the basic principles of good and evil. so why is one better than another? CONTROL of the masses is what organized religion is all about to me, personally i don't like to be controlled, but some do and thats fine, whatever gets you through life, but please, practice what you preach.
peace, love and understanding
Trifecta - They're awesome in concert so check them out if you get an opportunity. I saw them at Bonnaroo last year and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. My arms were exhausted from batting these huge (the size of VW's) orange balloons that rained on the crowd the ENTIRE show. They also passed out these lasers and, on cue, thousands of crazed audience members shot them into this disc Wayne Coyne was holding and he morphed into a psychedelic creature of some kind ; - ) All this on top of a "sound check" an hour before their show actually started of "War Pigs" that was totally off the HOOK. I'm so jealous you have access to these guys but I will say that Wayne is one of the most approachable guys in this business.
"You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music."
I'm not trying to ruin your mood in the least, I'm just saying that Abraham did NOT kill any of his children. Isaac ( the boy you were talking about) lived to be 180 years old & had two sons of his own. Esau & Jacob. I was only saying you misunderstood what you read. Read it again if your still not following me. Now have a Lovely day!
Bible scholar I ain't but I am sure Abraham did not kill his son. He was willing to for sure but God backed down at the last minute and they killed a ram instead.
The OT is great reading if you can set aside all the baggage attached to it and treat it as a book of legends like the Iliad or King Arthur or Beowolf.
thank you for your post and thanks for your insight. All are welcome.
i have to catch a flight now.