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Joined: Oct 18 2009
Something Awesome from late 1972

If you ain't got Dick's Picks 28 you ain't got nuthin between September 27, 1972 and October 19, 1973. BTW I need that DP 28 get it back in the store please please please wah wah...ok, anyway, people always say that 1972 is a well-represented year. I think that's becoming a little not quite right. 1972 is an incredible year. Yet if you add it up, there's just about as much available for 1971 as 1972. 1971 has two Road Trips, 1972 none. Yet, according to my research, and I'm a younger Dead Head, I don't have tapes, 1972 was pretty much spectacular from Europe through the end of the year. Take Dark Star. Apparently there are incredible Dark Stars from 10-18-72, 11-13-72, 11-19-72. Do a Fall 1972 Road Trips with a Dark Star theme, the way we get two half-hour Lovelights with Big Pow Wow. Or do a complete show, I'm not a stickler for complete vs. compilation...I don't think many of the younger people are...we love complete shows and we love discs loaded up with jams or 2 Dark Stars...long as the music is great we're happy. Or do Veneta or a Berkeley Community Theatre Road Trips. Just something spectacular from late 72 with Road Trips sonics. DP 11, 23, 36 are great of course but they're not enough gosh dangit!!!

Then at some point do something really great from early or mid 1973. October through December 1973 is stacked but earlier in the year is thin. 3-28-73? 6-10-73? 6-24-73?

See I see all these 80's requests. I'm sorry, I know lots of you went to shows and stuff but the younger audience wants the absolute best stuff the Grateful Dead did and that ain't the 80's, it's the late 60's and the 70's and that's that. I disagree with that guy who said you can't sell this stuff forever. Sure you can. I wasn't there, I was 14 when Jerry Garcia died. But I've got ears, and humans are always going to have ears. I don't see why Road Trips Volume 10,346 can't come out in 80 years or whatever. I agree it should be out faster, like the government should stop bombing Pakistani villagers and get people working mass producing Grateful Dead music and it should be publicly subsidized and all that. But if this is the way it's gonna be I'd just as soon buy the best music the band ever did.

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Joined: Sep 10 2007
Releasing more shows

Not that I needed a reason to think about it, but the Contest really has me thinking about when and how the vault is going to be opened. What is undeniable upon listening to the free songs that have been available for download is how good the sound quality is. An officially released version of many of these shows would be a major upgrade to what already circulates. So when is this going to happen and how?

The when is important for 2 reasons: (1) how many years can they conceivably continue to make money on the band, and (2) isn't there some obligation to older deadheads to allow them to get these shows?

I don't know how much longer they can continue to make money off the band, but I don't think it is infinite. I think there are more deadheads passing away than there are being born. Now there definitely are kids in their teens and 20's that are being turned on to the band. But are these people really buying shows. They've grown up in a different world, where paying for music is an anachronism. I don't think they are buying like older deadheads are. I tend to think there is a limited amount of time to make money on the band.

Even if I am wrong, and there is a long time left, isn't there some obligation to the people who made the band what it is. If you were 20 in 1970, you're 60 now. I hope we all live until we are 100, but being realistic, many of the original deadheads probably only have another 20 or so years left. Even those of us that are younger (I'm 37) don't have eternity. I think the when is soon.

As to the how, running some numbers, let's say that a person wants to have 1000 shows. At $20 per show, that comes to $20,000. That's a lot of money. I'm certainly not spending that much money over a short period. Some may say that a person is not entitled to as many shows as they want. And I'd agree. But then areyou would be saying that only the wealthy deserve to have a lot of shows. I'm sure we'd all say that isn't right. So $20 per show is too expensive, which means you can't release everything on CD (which is probably not feasible anyways). So it needs to be released for download. And for much per show? MAybe $10 per show is fair, especially when Rhino would only have to remaster the show and pay for server space, and not have to pay for the CD's, the sleeves, the jewel cases, etc. Or you have yearly subscriptions, charging say $100 a year and allowing a maximum of 20 show downloads per member.

So will everything be available to download? Again probably not feasible. But uploading 100 or 200 shows per year certainly is. I would make a list, using the input of your friend the late Dick Lavala, as well as the Davids, and others, of shows that are the likeliest of possible future official releases (for which you can charge the usual $20), and NOT upload those shows. For example, for 1977, you could argue that 5/5 -5/9, 5/12, 5/17, 10/2, 10/16, 10/29, 11/4 and 12/27 would make great offical releases, and thus won't be uploaded. But everything else should be.

Needless to say, lossless and not just mp3 is an absolute must. I hope something happens soon. At the current rate of 10 shows per year, and estimating that maybe 200 shows have already been released and that there are a total of 2000 shows in the vault (which is probably not that far off), the vault will be entirely open by 2190. I feel pretty safe saying that none of us are going to be alive then. Please, get moving, take advantage of the energy this promotion has created and get the vault, or least a part of it, online ASAP. Thanks!

Joined: Apr 17 2008
Michigan show's underrated a lot skipped

From my 1st at Cobo 77, to Grand Rapids In Ann Arbor (DTE) Pine Knob then WHEN JERRY MADE THE SHERIFFS UNPLUG HIM MORE THAN ONCE. after 11pm 10k every 10 min for noise violations. He made all play he was not done. The Palace. Though vendors bailed on Detroit we have some excellent shows listen and you tell me.
Smiley Dave

Do For Other's You Will Feel Better.

Joined: Nov 1 2010

Any show with Brent.
Or how about MSG when Branford Marsalis came out and played and played!!!!!!!!

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Joined: Sep 10 2007
6/5/69, 3/14/81

6/5/69, the show Dark Star from day 2 of the 30 day thing is taken from, is just about a no-brainer. And 3/14/81 (Althea day 3) doesn't even circulate on SBD!

Joined: Nov 30 2009
Road Trip: 06/27/84 Merriweather Post Pavillion

There's a reason David Gans has played a lot of this show on the Dead Head Hour, it's great! I strongly believe that any '84 release should contain a "Help > Slip > Franklin's" since that is representative (as a "West L.A. Fadeaway" would be representative of 1983... hint, and perhaps an "Esau", also!).

Look, 1984 is due to come up in the rotation at some point, right? Marin Vet's is OK (nice, even), but that has been around for a long time in very good quality, and it doesn't have the sizzle that this show has!!! This one's a keeper! I guarantee there will lots of praise for this representing '84! It's one of the best of the year, undoubtedly.

Thanks! Tip o' the skull to ya! Plus, there should be lots of East Coasters and D.C. Heads that will pick this up, and many people who followed that tour! "Help > Slip > Franklin's" ALWAYS draws an audience, and that Set II is off the hook (as is the "Let It Grow", one of the funkiest and most ripping versions of the 80s! Listen to it!!!). A great "Brent show", also! Peace.

Joined: Aug 17 2010
Glass strings

this is the first i heard of this does anyone have anymore info on this not much escapes me.

Joined: Apr 2 2008
Rockpalast in Essen, Germany 3-28-81

Why don't you release sth. from outside the US??? The "Rockpalast" show was incredible... the boys on foreign ground following The Who... and they did it well, folks! You could call the set list average, but... Sugaree, Shakedown, Deal, Estimated > He's gone > into a rare pre-drums O1 which ends screaming in hyperspace are worth to be officially released!! Everything after drumz is with Pete Townsend and the boys really take off during the 2nd set! No vocal glitches, no mistakes make this a very fine show...!

Joined: Jun 4 2007
a grateful dead video game?

It might be the last remaining audio visual frontier they have yet to explore. They could intersperse concert footage and base it on several timelines of interesting events. I'd like to see a computer game released.

lamagonzo (not verified)
8/5/79 Oakland Aud. Arena

The matrix of this show was done very carefully and there deserves to be follow-up from the Rhino side and a release of this one in it's entirety similar to Nightfall of Diamonds.

Note: This was a two encore show. Bertha>Good Lovin' the first encore and JBG the second.


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