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Matrix

Hi guys-
Richard has just started a Summer '82 vine which has a matrix recording included. I kind of understand the concept of "matrix" but I'd like to hear what other people know about the whole thing.
Basically, as far as I can tell, a "matrix" recording, although I believe that to be a misnomer, is a mix of a sbd and an audience recording. Any other details we should all know? When did Healy start using this method for mixing?
Any comments? I'd love to know some more.

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Gap's

There Are Several Programs Out There That Can Help You With The Gap's.I Use Wave Pad,It Is A Music Editor.The Problem Is You Either Have To Know What Your doing Or You Will Spend Some Time reading Directions,It Does Alot Of Stuff.One Suggestion,Always Make A Copy Of The File You Are going To Edit In Case something goes wrong.Messed Up A Few Times While Learning How To Use,Luckely I Had Hard Copys On Dvd.Anyways I Hope This helps .Wave Pad Is A Free Download For 14 Days,So You Can probaly Fix Your Stuff By Then.After 14 Days It Will Not work Unless You purchace A Licence. Go To NCH.com.Have A grateful weekend...Brian

(cause There's An Easy Wind....Blowin' Cross The Bayou Today)

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26 5 72

And the last time ui saw Pigpen, and the GOGD for 18 years

it is also getting on to the same amount of time since i last saw the Dead.

1990 in Europe

Bob

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I just ripped and burned

the 5-26-72 and listened back to NFA>GDTRFB>NFA and there was no pause in between those tunes. (KILLER sequence btw) Those segue seamlessly into one another without any 'gaps'. My Nero appears to copy the source in front of it, just as it is. So if the source has gaps, then the copy will and visa versa. (Of course it 'marks' the different tracks visually so you can select them, but not with an audible break). So, I am going ahead to try to finish these shows and send the vine out. (My sons are finishing their semester papers so computer time is not at a premium right now.)
As far as the other May '72 shows (5/4 & 5/11), I will try to work to see if I can 'join' those gaps, but honestly I am over my head with this. I have a kinship with Hal and just learned about alot of how to do this recently. I need a vine 'doctor' to be able to 'mend' those separated jams for us. I will try to do it, but if I am unsuccessful, then I will simply send the shows onto dstache. Maybe he (or someone on down the vine) will figure it out.
But thankfully the 5-26-72 is 'intact' (thanks again, Richard) and it is a truly stunning show and a wonderful finale to the Dead's adventure 'across the pond'. That show alone is worth vining.

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Nero

My copy of Nero you have to remeber to put in everytime that you don't want gaps, i can't figure out how to set the gap at zero

Bob

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I know that I vined

some shows with the 'gaps' between tracks and I have to agree with operator that those can be annoying and I plead total ignorance on how to rectify it on my end. I use a Nero burner on my computer and am a true 'technogeezer'. I would really like to know how to 'join' those that have the gaps, but don't know how to do it. These are shows that came to me like this and if there is an effective way to do it, that would be nice. It isn't as big a deal with my Clapton, Neil, Marley, etc, because those guys rarely segue as the Dead do. So I am part of the difficulty and I will attempt to make full disclaimer on the shows that I am vining that are in that condition. But it is kinda like with the Veneta show and its 'faults', I would rather have that show that is many generations down the line than not having the show at all. But yes, operator, to have those segues smooth and the be able to grin with delight as the boys slide into another tune or 'jump the tracks' to the next song are infinitely preferable to me as well.

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Joined: Jul 17 2007
No, sorry

I know there are a few applications with which to eliminate the gaps. I'm just not familiar with those programs, but I'm sure there are others here who are.

You could just check the help section of WMP and see if they address this issue.

When you received the discs did they have gaps between songs?

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gaps

I know that my Cream Filling vine definitely had gaps as I use WMP. Sorry about that.

I'll download I-Tunes as you recommend for future vines. And for myself. I'd prefer no gaps for sure. Just wasn't that big of a deal to me.

Operator, you are saying that once there are gaps on the cds, there is no way for the person who receives the cds to correct that, right? So, you can't make the Cream Filling shows have no gaps?

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Well, for instance a few

Well, for instance a few vines came to me recently and the cds they were on had gaps between the tracks.
When I imported them into iTunes, the gaps remained. So I think if we could eliminate the gaps pre-burning, the problem would be solved for everyone down the vine.

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I'm figuring all this out too or at least making an attempt.

dstache - I have WMP and the gaps too. I would like to send out some shows I have that were given to me and I have the discs with no gaps between and would like to copy these with no gaps between and send them out.

Also would like the shows I listen to, either on CD or WMP not to have these gaps but I am so overjoyed at having the shows that gaps are not a major irritant for me. Just the next step to learn. I wish there was a basic guide to trading somewhere. There is a big learning curve for some of us and myself I would rather be out hiking somewhere than spending long periods of time trying to figure all this out.

Thanks to all of you that have given me and other here pointers.

Just this year I have learned how to rip and burn discs, how to download and am learning Trader's Helper and capturing streams. There is so much out there as far as music players etc. for your computer, it gets confusing.

One of my friends who has 1000's of hours of tapes is overjoyed whenever I give him a show even if it is in mp3 (which I no longer do) or with the gaps. He just keeps pointing out to me how much better these are than our old tapes. So I am not going to whine about the formats I have now but will keep trying to improve the quality, but any guides for us Luddites would be appreciated.

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake

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