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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    Guss West
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    Thank you
    You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!
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    Wow....
    Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
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    Mark
    I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
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    Thanks oroboros!!
    Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
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    Hey guys,
    I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
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    As one of the original group that started vining here
    'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
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    My sentiments exactly
    Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
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    JackstrawfromC…
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    you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
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    A Big Thank You!
    To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
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    sorry for the double post
    the first left out the links.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Submitted by JBH69Flyer on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 20:57

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This is the most current vinedex I can find. You have to scroll down the thread to find the listing. http://www.dead.net/forum/vindex Looks like a previous update. Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Submitted by Jake R on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:35

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as posted, the vindex is missing CB's latest update. The search box is turning up no results for a lot of things. I use that to track down vines (easier than thumbing through all the listings and pages). Also my 1969 Lossless Part 5 thread is unable to be found. I posted a lil over a week ago if there was no movement on that then I would reseed it. I guess I'll let things settle for little while longer and hope it all works out. Btw I copied CB's vindex and have it saved as a txt file if anyone needs that since he may be busy to repost it.
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Submitted by zepthompson on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:41

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the search errors too was searching for those E72 tour pages that were posted in April and May the ones with track-listing as well as links to one of the songs... gone?
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:41

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I will update it and repost in the next week if it does not reappear
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Submitted by Jake R on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:47

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I suppose an update is needed already due to the massive amount of new vines that have been started since summer (including a nearly complete 1982 year and a nice healthy dose of 1976)
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Submitted by dstache on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 19:48

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The bicentennial grateful dead vine won't allow me to post. I received it yday. I've been working like crazy lately (11pm last night) but will be able to start ripping it tomorrow. Will update, hopefully on the thread, when it is ready to go.
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Submitted by JohnRParker5 on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 21:55

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Alright now, starting to feel like the dead letter office in my house. I am holding a lot of vines right now that no one else has signed up for. If you are interested in any of these, paste the link to get to the vine, sign yourself up and PM me your address. Let’s keep this stuff moving along, OK? Peace, JP 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-2-vine 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-4-vine August 1971 Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/august-1971-vine-part-1 Old and In the Way Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/old-and-way-vine Three from 1975 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/three-1975-vine 1977 Lossless Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-1 1977 Lossless Vine Part 2 http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-2-5-3-5-26 Pomo1's 78 Flash-back Vine (1978) http://www.dead.net/forum/pomo1s-78-flash-back-vine Merriweather 1983 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/merriweather-1983-vine Greek 84 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/greek-84-vine 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 1-The Greeks http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-1-greeks 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 2-Wisconsin and Ohio http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-2-wisconsin-an… Colorado 87 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/colorado-august-1987-vine Dylan-Dead Rehearsals Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dylan-dead-rehearsals-vine The Dead 2/14/2003 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-2-14-2003-vine The Dead 7/10/03 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-7-1-03-vine Fleetwood Mac vine http://www.dead.net/forum/fleetwood-mac-vine FWGV Vine Installment #1 (Jefferson Airplane and Fleetwood Mac) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-1 FWGV Vine Installment #3 (Cream, Byrds, Yardbirds) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-3 FWGV Vine Installment #5 (Doors and Pearl Jam) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-5 Neil Young Prairie Wind Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/neil-young-prairie-wind-vine Pink Floyd Part 3 Vine (1971, 1977, 1980) http://www.dead.net/forum/pink-floyd-part-3-vine The Big Led Balloon 12-10-07 Vine (Led Zep) (reseed) 1 DVD [Includes LZ show plus bonus Hendrix, Airplane, Doors] http://www.dead.net/forum/big-led-balloon-12-10-07-vine-led-zep
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Submitted by pomo1 on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 08:51

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Have been gone for about a month moving to a new apartment. Hope all is well and everyone had a great summer. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 09/01/2011 - 14:44

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These two at least have vanished. I cannot enter the second one in the Vindex as it is recent. Have notfied Marye. 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 08:54

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Now the Vindex is getting so huge and seems to have been eliminated from this site, I am planning a new way of sharing it, which is intended to be easier for me, easier for folks to scan and analyse and that will not clog up the site. I am posting a link to a place where you can read a simple spreadsheet online with the VIndex on it. It includes a whole lot more useful info too, including a list of all the shows the GD ever played and dates of all official releases. The link is here. Please tell me if it works OK https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYQXLRMperodHNXcXhNYjdpWH… thanks CB
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Submitted by JBH69Flyer on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:03

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Thanks very much Mr. Badger!! Any chance you can export this data to Microsoft Excel? My attempts have been unsuccessful so far. Best Wishes and Thank You Very Much!!! Jimmy
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:21

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we are having some site weirdness, which I've reported to Darren. Strangely enough, the Vindex is perfectly visible in the editor, but everything I've tried to make it visible in real life has failed. Including posting it as a new comment. We're working on this, but in the meantime, it is a good thing that another solution exists. Sorry for the trouble.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:24

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yep, my photos that I uploaded are gone..or hidden :-)
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:28

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I reported that too.
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Submitted by dstache on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 17:03

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Hey, this vine is not lost. I have it. I received it on Tue. The link for the thread does not work. MaryE, if you have a chance, please check on that. If the person who is next in line knows they are next in line, please PM me with your info and it will be sent out to you on Tue. Thanks!
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 18:38

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...a PM response from Pomo1 that 1969 part 5 will be on the move shortly.
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Submitted by JBH69Flyer on Fri, 09/02/2011 - 18:44

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I was able to get a copy of the new vinedex in Excel format. Thanks to the Cosmic Badger for his great efforts. Also thanks to zepthompson for the conversion!! Have a Euro72 weekend!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Sat, 09/03/2011 - 02:30

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I did not mean to suggest that these two vines are physically lost 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine it's just that the pages that feature them here have disappeared (at least that was the case yesterday) . All part of the weirdness being investigated by MaryE.
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Submitted by dstache on Sat, 09/03/2011 - 11:05

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Gotcha, thanks!
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Submitted by pomo1 on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 09:52

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You probably should have received the 1969 Part 5 vine by now. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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Submitted by dstache on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 11:17

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I have not received it as of this morning.
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Thu, 09/08/2011 - 13:06

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Maybe I'm slow ... I don't know, but maybe there are others who don't know this: If you PM'd someone and you're not sure if they've read your message yet, go to your "sent" folder. If they haven't opened your message yet, the word "new" will appear in red in the subject line (just like when you go to your inbox and you have new messages). Kida like getting a read receipt. OK, maybe this doesn't seem like a big deal, BUT it does tell you if someone is no longer active in the Vineyard, which could stop vines from dying. For example: there is someone who hasn't opened ANY of my messages since February. If he follows me on the list, I know not to send him the vine. Make sense? New to the 21st century, Chris
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Submitted by dstache on Thu, 09/08/2011 - 13:33

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I didn't know this, frisco, thanks
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Submitted by dstache on Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:00

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I'm posting my thoughts regarding each show in the respective threads (go to "Shows & Lyrics" on the left, just under "Features") if anyone is interested. I've listened to the first 3 nights, grading 4/7 & 4/8 as 8.5 out of 10 overall, and 4/11 as 9 out of 10. I'm not a musician so my musical vocabulary is pretty limited, though as you all know I've listened to my fair share of Dead shows.
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Submitted by marye on Sun, 09/11/2011 - 15:49

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and actually arriving on people's doorsteps, I have retired the vines containing material from the Europe 72 tour. In some cases this is a matter of a single show and the vine could be re-seeded without the show in question. EXCEPT. I have not retired the videos for the time being. Had there been video in the box set, this would have been another story, but for the moment, there doesn't seem to be a compelling issue. Feel free to play it with the relevant CD from the box set cranked up...
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Submitted by Jake R on Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:41

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and thank you CB for new vindex. Sorry I haven't been around in awhile guys. I keep saying the vines I have are gonna move shortly and there should be no reason in delaying any longer the vines that I have.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:48

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Many of you know Johnman, His family is losing his house. Any donations would be appreciated directly to him. You can PM him or PM me for the address.. I know this is off-topic but there are some good souls here on this thread who are kind.
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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 09/11/2011 - 19:18

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Hey folks , i am having trouble finding traders little helper , i know its strange.. can someone post a link to the latest version for windows 7 ? Thank you .. And that really bites abt Johnman,, wish i could help but i am still digging myself out of a huge hole.. My thoughts and best wishes are with him.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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Submitted by stuman on Mon, 09/12/2011 - 21:02

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i will give it a try.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 12:02

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recently, the vineyard, and some vines in particular, have been hit these unwanted phantom solicitations
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 12:15

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In my opinion the vine should keep going. Some of us couldn't get the box set because dead.net can't figure out how to transcribe credit card and address info. Or how to save it to their database. I didn't sign up for that vine because I stupidly assumed I would be getting the box. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 15:55

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the deal with tape trading (and its digital counterpart) being allowed on this site is that once something is in commercial release, it stops being traded here. The All The Music set is in commercial release and not in limited edition, therefore the Europe 72 set is off limits. I am sorry for your order hassles. I am doing what I can to help you with them. But it was not exactly a slam dunk to have tape trading allowed on this site at all, and this is a very bright line governing its being allowed. Thank you.
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Submitted by PonchoBill on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 18:34

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I have been holding up a few vines due to some crazy overtime @ work that was unexpected. They WILL be moving on by Monday. Liberty #1 and #2 Closing of the Spectrum sorry again.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:30

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I was just venting. That's all I can do because I am completely powerless in this situation. It's frustrating. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:30

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and believe me I am bumming on your behalf.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:24

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been busy, tired, and a little lazy...I am holding up 2 vines, and they will be out this week: '76 and Kingfish
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 04:15

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and I guess a few others too. Can we start a mutual support group?
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Submitted by Jake R on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 14:03

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the new decade, new vines topic is missing. It has posts from some vine. However, I do like the new formatting of the site.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:44

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this new format is killin' me eyes....when are "they" going to stop messin' around with the site? ;-)
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 09/24/2011 - 07:31

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Is this going to come back? For example when you could search and sort only vines for example?
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 09/24/2011 - 07:56

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What happened? There must have been 10 pages of posts on that day. All the vine threads are buried beneath that stuff. It makes searching difficult to impossible... :(
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 09/24/2011 - 11:00

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that are only in the Vineyard? (for example) that seems pretty straightforward to me. What am I missing? There are a number of new capabilities, and I'm trying to figure out if some of the old ones exist at all or in somewhat different forms, but topic selection seems to be okay. Topic EXCLUSION seems to be slightly more problematical and I'm still looking into that one... Also the mysterious disappearance of New Decade, New Vines, but hey, failing all else we can always start a new one for that; I don't think we had any new vines pending because of all the upheaval anyway. And if we did, You Know Who You Are.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 09/24/2011 - 14:29

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But I don't see where you can sort the forums into the vineyard only. The 'sort window thing' used to be on the top of the page and I don't see it anymore. I could be as sharp as a marble or just blind.