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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    Guss West
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    Thank you
    You all have my word that the vines I am sent will be carefully tended until they are ready to be passed along. Love and Gratitude to those who invest in endlessly seeding. The Music Never Stops!
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    Wow....
    Haven't been around here for a while... but things are different huh?? JackstrawfromColorado.... let me know what shows you need.... I have them all pretty much covered. Sorry to see there has been some toxins in the Vineyard.... doesn't take much to kill 'em off.... Hope everyone is otherwise well. -Raymond.
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    Mark
    I think I have your email pretty sure you have mine next time you are up this way..... take care amigo!
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    Thanks oroboros!!
    Thanks for backing me up and thank you too Jake. People are funneling vines to carolina boy I see and all I can say is "whatever". I tried being the vine cop but it was a grueling, thankless job and I spent way too much time and resources re-seeding vines and doing the follow ups with folks. No one could do what markinthedark did, and I suspect much like me he got way too burned out. I love a lot of you out there but the people with total disregard I cannot deal with anymore. I am signed up for the two 83 vines and I hope someone who has my email address could email me when they are coming my way I would be very grateful. Then I am officially out of here. The 72 europe bullshit and now the new site are making me crazy too so again, take care everyone I love you I loved trading with y'all but it is really time for me to say fare thee well. If you have my email drop me a letter and I'd love to trade that way with you but I am done here. Mark
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    Hey guys,
    I just bumped all of Fall 72 and the entire 73 vines. Lot of stuff is lost over the pond unfortnately and lost in the server change-over.
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    As one of the original group that started vining here
    'back in the day' I can agree that I have watched while several individuals took and took and ended up being 'vine killers'. They showed up, got on the list to receive the vine and then never sent them onto those next on the list. While I have not been as active, of late I will agree with my brothers comments that it is difficult to keep the vineyard producing when some just take and take. I wish I had an answer. For a while we were attentive and kept track and then ericat and then Markinthedark helped us attend to keeping the vineyard going. But if we don't identify those that are toxic to the cause don't be surprised when so many vines die. I don't think that Jake R and JackstrawfromCo would be expressing these concerns if carolina boy didn't have a history. Has he reseeded the vines that disappeared when sent to him ? A show of good faith? I can't be the 'vine cop' and I have watched as that role has unfortunately burnt out several of my brothers in the Vineyard. And they are gone. FYI- I have reseeded many CDs to get vines back on track here, both with the vines I started and ones that were seeded by others. Saying that isn't to expect praise but to offer that I have invested in the Vineyard, and have been given back far more than I have put into this wonderful space. The Wheel does go round.. I will say to those on the vineyard that our history is right here to view. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
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    My sentiments exactly
    Mark, I completely agree with u. Idk if he thinks enough time has passed and we forgot but I certainly have not. I wholeheartedly encourage a banishment of him from any vines he is on. I too do not speak ill of anyone; this has always been a great community. But if any vines he is on gets sent to him and not passed along I too will be done with this place.
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    you guys I know I don't come around here much anymore but the vineyard will always be a place I will cherish, for the music and the people who formed this community. I am probably coming across like a big ol jerk here but I don't care because this guy here .. carolina boy ... single handily took the vineyard down. a bunch of us went to a lot of work to reseed all the vines he STOLE from here. I'm getting emotional right now because I must sound like an asshole but I don't care ... i just hope someone from the old days who remembers backs me up... please do not trade with him ... I mean actually do whatever you want but I know what he did to the vineyard and I am letting you all know
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    A Big Thank You!
    To Jake for reseeding all the missing '67, '68 and '69 vines.You be the MAN Jake! Yeah,just like a kid turned loose in a freakin' candy store I am. Thanks again.
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    sorry for the double post
    the first left out the links.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Submitted by ohyeah on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 06:45

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My apologies for going incommunicado for a little while . . . work and medical stuff blindsided me. Nothing serious, but enough to make trips to the post office a more difficult thing to fit into the schedule. I'll be getting back in the game today, at least with regard to moving along the vines in my possession. ~~~~~~~ "They say Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"
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Submitted by stuman on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 19:05

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I have some video that I might be seeding sometime in the future , it would fit on either two standard dvd`s or 1 DVD-DL. What do you all think about dual layer dvd`s ? " Im a King Bee "
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Submitted by Lopezz on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 19:48

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they should save room. you just copy one side and then flip it over to copy the next, right?
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Submitted by stuman on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 02:15

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is all on one side . 8.5 gig on one side ! They are a little expensive as compared to regular dvd`rs. twice the disc space for almost twice the price , kinda like a ying - yang thing here . they are nice for all that storage room !! But if not many people know about them , then it may not be a good idea to vine something on a duel layer dvd hua ?
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Submitted by stuman on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 14:10

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as far as I know all dvd players can handle them . and any computer should be able to copy them . I hav`nt had any problemes with them .
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Submitted by stuman on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 14:13

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forgot to say .. of course you need another DL to copy to . or copy into a hard drive but you still will need a DL when your ready to burn it .
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Submitted by fluffhead042 on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 16:05

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I hate breaking the energy flow with a disc change. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Submitted by erickat on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 19:24

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just put a warning that at $15 a disc, reseeds may not be as readily available as other seeds. I would think folks that have dl capability would be glad to see this - and hopefully those that can't handle at least a conversion won't sign up for it. I have a pc that has dl capability, but i've never explored it. I don't have alot of video & do most of my archiving on hard drives i've acquired over the years.
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Submitted by stuman on Sat, 09/05/2009 - 00:57

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Once I figure exactly what shows I`ll do I will post them along with a disclaimer explaining dl capacity and the expense of dl disc as far as re-seeds and al that goes . Thanks for the input guys , I really appreciate it !!
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Sat, 09/05/2009 - 08:19

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Just posted this in the specific vine forum.... but I am loving this run so much that I thought I would put the word out here as well..... This vine was just sent to the last person on the list and will be available soon! Thanks all. Raymond
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 05:04

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I am still around, but I will be busy this week and will not be able to respond to PMs after today. I am not aware of anything heading my way. If it comes, in, it will be next week before it goes out.
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Submitted by dstache on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 20:46

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Do you lie awake at night wishing that there was a vine named after you? Sleep easy my friend, because your wish has come true. The first person to post here in the metatopic the 4 shows from 1979 that he would like vined will have said vine named after him. Or if he is a she it will be named after her. The vine will be 1 DVD of SHN/FLAC and as many WAV CDs that the 4 shows break down to (probably 12).
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Submitted by Beggars_Tomb on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 06:30

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2-09-1979 Soldiers' and Sailors' Memorial Hall2-10-1979 Soldiers' and Sailors' Memorial Hall 2-11,1979 Venue Kiel Auditorium 2-17,1979 Oakland Coliseum. This was Keith and Donna's last show with the Dead. Sorry guys, I'm not a big fan of Brent.
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Submitted by pomo1 on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 09:20

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You are going to piss off Marye with that Brett comment. :>). Derek, I like the sound of "The Beggar's Tomb Brentless '79 Vine." Thanks. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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Submitted by dstache on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 09:59

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That name sounds good, Pomo1. I will work on it and post by this weekend
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 12:47

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Backing vocals over Donna's any day of the week!!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 14:05

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Donna still is a wonderful performer and did add quite a bit of stage presence during her time with the band. Don't let infrequent moments on some of the recordings diminish her accomplishments or contributions to the band. Brent, on the other hand, really didn't fill the void after she left, but he was an outstanding keyboardist.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 16:07

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Donna's contributions. I just don't overly care for her singing especially when she over does it. I just know that when GD plays a song like Playing in the Band for example and it is in the 70's I better turn down the volume because her wailing makes me jump out of my seat at times :-) Same affect I get when fingers run down a chalk board. I prefer Brent's mellower, grittier tone but hey its just my opinion bro! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by Ursa Minor on Mon, 09/21/2009 - 14:39

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Hi GD folks, well, I'd like to replace this specific one CD that circulated around 2001 or so....As many of you know there were two gaps in the legendary Cornell show from 77 .... one in the begininng of the show on "minglewood blues" and the other in " lazy lightning>supplication" Apparently, there was a master cassette source that was run by Betty or somebody on the crew that has a soundboard patch option since that music was run and wasn't sourced off the reels... so, with all the crazy re-mastering that has happened for example the neat "matrix" sources with aud patches, etc. ... Why didn't somebody patch with a soundboard master cassette? There's not too much lacking but with really good software a engineer could EQ and level out the difference really well.... has anybody seen this one CDR floating around , and if so , please seed it - so we can finally get rid of the aud patches that circulate so much on this show.... sincerely, Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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Submitted by dstache on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:58

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I am going to seed a multi-part 79 vine, the best shows from Donna/Keith's final tour, early Brent, Fall, etc. I do not have the time to convert all of these to WAV. So what I was wondering, what would people think if I converted one show per part (probably 4 shows per part) and asked the first three persons to convert one show each? So the first 3 people would have to do FLAC/SHN.
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 18:20

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I would be willing to convert a show to .wav and add it in.... are people anxious for the wav files instead of the flac/shn?? I know Oroboros wants .wav....I guess there are others too.... Want to separate them out and keep the one lossless vine and then do 2 shows per .wav vine? Just throwing out an idea.... Thanks for all of this wonderful music!! I am now finallly being able to pay back a bit... with reseeds.... and I am happy to do it!! Raymond
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 19:14

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Hey all.... I have a vine here for Birdsong who is next... and I don't have an address.... did I read that he was on an extended vacation for 5 weeks? Couldn't find that post if I did... can anyone send me his address?? Hate to hold this one.... the May 1981 Vine thats just getting started from JStrawinColorado.... PM me if you know.... thought for sure I had it but I don't.... Thanks. Raymond
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 20:32

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I'll help out with wav conversion if you want to send out wav... Although its been nice having some lower postage lately! :-) Thanks again for all the 70's stuff dstache!!!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by Lopezz on Thu, 09/24/2009 - 18:40

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that MarkintheDark and I planned on vining before his disappearance. The Talking Heads was the first (does anybody know if that got mailed?). Some of the others included Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, David Bowie, and some more Pink Floyd. Has anyone heard from him at all?
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 14:12

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I am a little surprised it has not happened already ... but I can seed the 3 Furthur shows if there is interest?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by Richard Vigeant on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 18:42

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I'll be the first one on it if possible.
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 19:34

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Hell Yea!! That would be great! Raymond
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 06:09

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Ok cool I'll do it then! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 18:06

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anything about DaveC?Just noticed he was next on 2 vines.... one was posted as sent to him.... the other was ready to go out to him but wasn't posted as sent. One was Erickat's Glen Falls 82 vine all the way back to the end of April.... the other was JStraw from Colo's Late August 80 Vine from 5-6 weeks ago. Hoping they are not lost! Just curious.... Raymond
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Submitted by Richard Vigeant on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 18:16

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He's the next on ABB at Beacon. Any news somebody?
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Submitted by dstache on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 18:50

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I've always found him to be reliable, even did a trade or two with him. I doubt he was the one who killed the 82 vine.
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 09:03

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This one is apparently on its way to me....complete. Marye has frozen the forum....due to the new Winterland release. In order to keep the vine moving, I can remove those shows and reburn that one DVD.... and then continue the vine. With that being said, I can do anything else as well.... so let me know what you all think. As always.... I am deeply appreciative of the efforts many have made to keep this vineyard vibrant and fruitful.... Thanks!! Raymond
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Submitted by pomo1 on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 10:12

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I think the best way to go forward is to simply remove the three shows, re-burn the DVD that they were on, and pass it on. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Submitted by DaveC on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 13:39

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Hi Gang, I never received the Glens Falls vine - I just replied to Raymond though, that I recently moved and there may have been a delay, as there was for the Aug 80 vine (which I did receive and is ready to go out - I will find that page and IM the person next on that vine). I also have the May/July/Aug 81 vine ready to go, so at least I know THOSE vines reached me. I will get up to date on all relevant pages today. And I will keep on the lookout for Glens Falls, but honestly, I son't know where that one is....
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Submitted by dr zevon on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 20:06

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i agree remove the three show and move the vine on. i think i have all three shows from SBD on cassette tape. us old tapers aren't "old and in the way".
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Submitted by Birdsong1969NJ on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 04:32

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Boy, I missed a lot of good stuff. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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Submitted by Birdsong1969NJ on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 04:36

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Derek, me, and a few others put out a late 79' part one and two (lovin rhino vine)vine about a year ago, and the quality of the the recordings of these shows is so so. They are also MP3 from wav. Anyone interested in sourcing lossless better quality versions of these shows? and reseeding? These shows just slay.......Dstache? "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 06:38

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new version just posted welcome back Birdsong!
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Submitted by dstache on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 09:52

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Yeah, I am going to circulate the run of shows from late Oct, easily the high point of 1979. That will probably be the next "best of 79" vine I seed. It should be posted in a week or two.
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 10:16

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DSB of 18th Sept now appearing :-)More to come apparently
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 16:48

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This Vine is in my possession.... my plan is to burn new discs which will not include the recently released Winterland shows. This will take the vine from 4 DVDs to 3. After I finish that burn I can post the new order of discs here for Marye's approval (?) so we can keep this vine growing. Is that approrpriate and acceptable? Please advise. Thanks all. Raymond
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 10/02/2009 - 16:59

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There seems to be general agreement on this so if Raymond sends me the updated contents I can post that and open the comments back up and the vine can reflourish... Thanks all. And welcome back birdsong!
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Submitted by dstache on Sat, 10/03/2009 - 22:04

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A 1980 acoustic vine would be great. You could probably fit all the acoustic sets on 2 DVDs. It would break down into too many CDs but WAV files could be vined in parts for the FLACless. Many of the electric sets are supposed to be forgettable so I would be more than satisfied with just the acoustic sets. I'd still like to see the rest of the Brent 1990 shows vined. I was pleasantly surprised with the 1984 shows that were recently vined and would like to acquire more of the GOOD ONES (there are many clunkers from that year and I have no need for them). A discerning seeder is required here, haha. As for me, I will work on getting more of 1979 out there. I have the entire year. I vined the shows I thought were the best from Donna & Keith's final tour plus some requests from Beggar's Tomb. I will vine the best of from the fall tour (the late Oct run, duh) and the early Brent shows once I listen to them.
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Submitted by fluffhead042 on Sun, 10/04/2009 - 06:49

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I'd love some tasty Acoustic Dead....and yes, PLEASE on the Brent shows. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Submitted by RaymondMBrown on Mon, 10/05/2009 - 17:08

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started by dstache and crew 1977 Lossless: Part 3 (6/4-10/14) avatar On August 9th, 2009 dstache said: Part 3 of this vine is ready to go. Multiple sources for many of the shows in this period will be included. Thanks again to jsfc, Hippy, Pomo1, Estim8ed, Arkdeadhead, CB, Rick and Richard for all their help! Sources: (Revised Sept. 2009 due to official release of Winterland '77. Buy it! ) 77-06-04.bertrando.goodbear.3417 77-06-04.fob.menke.motb.0096.97183 77-09-28.95952.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-09-29.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-10-01.sbd.crouch-diebert-gmb.86234 77-10-02.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.86354 77-10-06.sbd.gorinsky.5804 77-10-07.s2.sbd.miller.80753 77-10-09.sbd.miller.xxxxx 77-10-11.sbd.miller.87514 77-10-12.sbd.cotsman.19291 77-10-14.sbd.tetzeli.34260
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Mon, 10/05/2009 - 17:39

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Namely the 1980 halloween run in NY plus 10/3/80. I just didn't know if I could vine these because some of them are on Reckoning??? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Submitted by dstache on Mon, 10/05/2009 - 17:53

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Since Reckoning is a compilation, I believe it is ok to vine the shows from which it was taken. Anyone have any more of the shows? The acoustic sets should all fit on 2 DVDs so it would be nice to do them all at once. But just those shows would be fine too.