me myself, I'm pretty frigging fettered these daze....
keep up that ad copy, Madison Ave suits never did it better themselves.
'sell the sizzle, not the steak'
works every time.
and yeah, welcome to the site.
I liked the "glowing beacon of time's relentlessness" blurb.
Of course, all I need to perform that function in my life is a simple hand mirror. :D
Website owned by band's marketing company attempts to sell their products!
If the GD are as American as baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. then so are unfettered capitalism, marketing, advertising and money making. You can't have it both ways..that is unless you are one of them socialists!!!!!!!
And as for 'planted posts' encouraging people to buy stuff, well I would say the majority of posts about the releases are complaints. About the full shows/compilations argument and about the dreadful mail order service.
Still I have just ordered my Gold GD tour alumni classic ring for a very reasonable 259.00 and I am going to tell all my friends about THAT.
Also I can't wait for the new seniors range of products including
'Steal Your Face' viagara
and the new tie dye adult diaper range..Tie Diapers.
welcome to new folks by the way.
if somebody is 'convinced' by an internet shill, so be it.
if there are actually shills HERE, who gives a fuck?
whatever happened to buyer beware?
people getting paid to post on THIS frigging forum?? sheesh!!!
I'm still waiting for the residuals and royalty checks for the game show and the song parodies and the yuks, ain't never seen a dime from that. ) -:
I'd love to see some incontravertable evidence if anyone really thinks that this shit is going on here.
"You were indicted for conspiracy
To obstruct the right of way
The plea was civil liberty
But it wasn't a judge that day"
what i would criticize is the especially hokey and schlokey ad blurbs I seen in the Almanac page;
"Upgrading the rumpus room
Time is all relative, especially when you’re lost in
deep thought in your man- or woman-cave. Let this
glowing beacon of time’s pestering relentlessness
gently shock you back to the quotidian. Battery
operated clock and AC neon bulb.
Skull ‘n’ Roses Neon Clock $35.00"
"Got tix? Set of 3 encased in lucite
and magnetically assisted for heavy-duty
Cal Expo Ticket Magnets $18.00"
"magnetically assisted for heavy-duty
yikes!! that copy is downrite scary.
and, yes, I could do better if someone wants to pay me. (no free samples)
but I will accept veggie burrittos in a kind trade.
ps. I hope, I really hope, marye had nothing to do with THAT copy writing
all i know is, i come to this website to interact with other deadheads, i have met some of them, they are real people. as far as i know they have not been paid to interact with me (and if they have been, why, i must be either pretty special or a piece of drek)
... what the truth is. Internet marketing is a bold new world. The only thing I ask is that if you're pushing GD merchandise, let me know you're a GD merchandise pusher, not a pretend fan who is writing a false review or recommendation.
The internet sure is convenient and deceptive all at the same time.
that would really suck if true, and I think folks can tell they've never offered to pay me to kiss their ass. It does seem like there's an awful lot of marketing going on here though.
And you know I'm only in it, for the gold
The stealie is the main trademark of the GD brand. The GD are as American as baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. Most people want to know what is being offered for sale regarding their favorite band and they decide what to buy. Isn't freedom wonderful?
How do you sustain sales as time marches on? One way is to create a website that has the whole catalog. Another is to let the fans interact. Another, more controversial, way is to create the impression that something is popular and because everybody else has it, you should have it too.
There is the old way of creating need by, say, limiting the amount of "bonus" discs being offered. Some people don't like that but at least we all know what it is. The new way is to have people write posts in the forums praising it, even though they aren't fans who never have, nor will they ever, spend a nickel on anything related to the Grateful Dead. Perhaps these people are even paid to write these posts. That may or may not be happening but there is no doubt that people are being manipulated to buy.
I guess what you don't know can't hurt you. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy your Dead stuff
"Just a song of Gomorrah
I wonder what they did there
Must have been a bad thing
to get shot down for
I wonder how they blew it up
or if they tore it down
Get out, get out, Mr Lot
and don't you look around
Who gave you your orders?
Someone from the sky
I heard a voice inside my head
in the desert wind so dry
I heard a voice telling me to flee
The very same voice I always believe
Said: a lot of trouble coming
but it don't have to come to you
I'm sparing you so you can tell
the rest what you been through
But don't you turn around, no
Don't look after you
It's not your business how it's done
You're lucky to get through
You're a good upstanding man
A credit to the flock
But if you don't face straight ahead
You could not stand the shock"
"If you get confused, listen to the music play
Some come to laugh their past away
Some come to make it just one more day
Whichever way your pleasure tends
If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind"
I am curious as to who determines what content is shown on this site since it relaunched on 6/4/07. I'm not talking about the Forums and the occasional blatant commercials posted in here that could be deleted (and maybe soon are, for all I know). I would bet that Rhino, since getting the management contract in 2006, are the ones who determine content.
Certainly the promotional aspects of the site, whether it be merch. that is sold from the store or promoting whomever of the band members are touring, is being put forth by Rhino by their authority.
My concern has to do with how there is gentle but genuine marketing efforts being made, and probably planted posts in the forums, that drive people towards whatever is being marketed. I certainly felt there was a big push for last spring's tour, including directing free tickets for the NYC pre-shows to fans who give good reviews.
I think people need to be more aware in general of advertisers using "perception management" techniques to get people to believe certain things or act in a certain way and to consume whatever is being offered.
There is certainly a lot of freedom and differing opinions on this site. That is great. But we're used to taking commercials with a grain of salt. When we don't know we are being marketed to and believe we are hearing the opinions of our peers is when the line is crossed into covert techniques that are blatantly manipulative.
Caveat Emptor indeed. Beware all who enter this site. The point of it is not to let fans of the music interact. The point of it is for us to spend our money on the things contained herein.