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It seems like the

It seems like the difficulty may be related to the conditions that one gets used to. I remember when all admission to the shows meant that you could sit wherever you wanted (festival seating?) and then it changed/progressed to 'reserve seating' at some shows. There is always a period of adjustment to any change processes.
I was stating to a friend how the old forums were more like the wild west where anything goes and we attempted (emphasis on attempted) to police ourselves and assist each other in exercising a modicum of respect and control regarding their posts. It was where we ran the show (to a great degree). Maybe comparable the old days of the 'acid tests' where there were no rules but the whole scene kindof ran along on its own creative power. That scene changed and so has this one.
It is difficult moving so quickly to the new 'culture' that is structured in such a different way. But hey, change is hard. It is/was tough for me when I moved the kitchen clock 3 years ago and I still look at that spot (where it used to be) when I want to know what time it is.
So, I am still excited, although sometimes I feel like izzie and Marye are like "Mom figures" (don't delete me, gals, I'm a recovering sexist. My wife tells me that I am doing better, really) but more in the parental sense (don't get too Freudian on me). That this is such a radical change for what we all were participating in on the other site. But that doesn't mean we can't change and that this site can't/won't progress and change as well. Maybe, there is a collective whiplash with such a quick switch for some of us.
Shit, to make a long story short (which I am constitutionally incapable of) I will work on being constructive, but you know, it is hard to change a guy whose favorite bumper sticker was "Question Authority". Luckily, I have also learned that "as you perceive it, so it will be" and will make efforts to view this change in an positive fashion even though it does take effort for me to be able to relearn how to contribute in this venue.
I was kinda used to the the old way ('old and in the way, thats what I heard'em say') of posting etc., but this old brain can manage to forge new synaptic trails (with what I have left) with herculean effort and practice (dammit, that is TOO close to work). Be patient with me all, (you too, izzie and Marye) and as I recall Mark Twain's saying "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, it's what you know for sure, that ain't so." Then I can remind myself to question and challenge my own perceptions. And maybe I can learn something.
Hey, welcome to the dance!

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To Soeharto, (and to toehrs

To Soeharto, (and to others who are getting bummed for whatever reason)

dudes, stick around for a while, if you choose. up to you what you do, but shucks, give things a chance to get together. who jumps from a ship of fools which just has a few leaks?
please give the crew a chance to fix 'em.

you wanna get off the bus, here? up to you, dude, but personally my old bus had really uncomfortable seats, a rusted through floorboard, shock absorbers which worked in the opposite way (giving shocks rather than absorbing them) and a transmission that left pieces up and down every highway in North America... anyways, it was one hell of a ride.

I think my old lady is quite pleased when I spend MORE time on the 'puter... ( -;

peace.

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marye said: "quoting

marye said:

"quoting previous posts
CC, I would say for now just do it the old-fashioned way. Thanks."

sheesh, when I was a boy, we used to be able to click on a quote thing...

nah, just kidding. ( -: (tongue frmly in cheek)

reminds me of things my father used to say...

'when I was a boy, I had to walk 5 miles to school. everyday. in the snow. snow even in summer. uphill.
uphill, BOTH ways...'

peace.

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izzie's pleasure...

sorry - I thought that was funny, and wanted to capture it!

PCW - we've been through this alot in the past few days, and as you poke around you'll undoubtedly see references to this issue in various places, and MaryE and I haven't changed the answers yet.

It's a housekeeping issue, not a personal one. There are people here from GD sites that don't allow any user-created forums, and people from GD sites that are all about the free-for-all forums. We're working on a balance here, and are getting some pretty positive feedback about it.

While it may not be what you're used to, maybe give it a try for more than just the first day? If there is a particular forum you would like created, just ask. I know it's a little awkward, but really, we don't bite. usually. not hard, at least.

-iz

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Absolutely correct. Forums

Absolutely correct. Forums exist for the enjoyment of the participants, not for the pleasure of the mods. Unless we're allowed to open our own topics, this will become a very uneventful, unvisited, and boring Forum.

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I agree. This site is too

I agree. This site is too busy, too slow, and not intuitively designed.

Is this now the Grateful Dead Store (www.gdstore.com)? If so, I'm not impressed so far.

What happened to the downloads?

What happened to the Dick's Picks special collections at slightly reduced prices?

As far as the Forum goes, it's only useful to any of us if we can create our own topics and have back-and-forth banter with each other. If all we can do it post to topics opened by the mods, it'll be one static Forum.

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quoting previous posts

CC, I would say for now just do it the old-fashioned way. Thanks.

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to which I would add that...

For all practical purposes, though the term hasn't been used, we are functionally in public beta on this for quite a while. As folks have noted above, there are people coming in from dozens of different boards and forums with wildly different expectations (some places you can start topics, some places you can't, etc.), and it's going to take a long time to figure out an approach that more or less works. I can guarantee that people who are looking for stuff not to like will find plenty, and hey, there are things about the current limitations that drive me nuts too.

The thing is, we'll never get to that better place if we don't experiment and find what does and doesn't work. For instance, consider what the place would be like if all comments required moderation, which was one of the options briefly considered (and, thank God, dismissed as a nonstarter pretty early on).

As izzie suggests, striking a balance between those who want a topic-starting free-for-all and those who think we've already got too many is an issue we're grappling with and one that will never have a perfect solution. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

It will never be perfect. With your constructive help, it will get better. Thank you.

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copying and stuff

just for you, CCJoe. I'm cutting and pasting from OceanRiver's post.

OceanRiver said: in your shows and songs part under the concert listings, i'll find mistakes here and there...

OceanRiver, please send corrections to the show database to Jonthan Lane (that's his user id here on the system.) He'll get to 'em!

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Whoa!!

Soeharto - you said you were leaving, and that you were gone. I simply wished you happiness in another online forum where you can start topics! That's a far cry from suggesting you go else where to be happy! I'm sorry the current configuration of this site isn't what you'd like it to be. but if you're not happy here...... why stay?

For each person who wants to be able to create topics as desired, we have people who think there are already too many topics and that things should be more consolidated.

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