Cornell 5/8/77 (5LP)
WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...
“...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”
“There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”
"This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”
The Grateful Dead played more than 2,000 concerts, but none continues to spark interest and provoke discussion quite like the band’s performance at Cornell University’s Barton Hall on May 8, 1977. It is one of the most collected, traded, and debated concerts by any band ever, has topped numerous fan polls through the years, and was a favorite of the group’s longtime archivist Dick Latvala, who stated: “Enough can’t be said about this superb show.” Even Uncle Sam got into the act in 2011 when the recording was “deemed so important to the history and culture of the United States” that a copy was added to the Library of Congress’ National Recording Registry.
Limited edition of 7,700
Release Date: May 5, 2017
Sourced from the Betty Cantor-Jackson soundboard recordings, transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by Grammy-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
In-depth essay by noted Dead scholar Nicholas Meriwether
10th side features custom etching
Limited edition of 7,700
Release Date: May 5, 2017
First Listen: "Morning Dew" 5/8/77
"Mind-roasting"? Don't mind if we "dew." Rollingstone.com's got an exclusive sneak preview of what might be the most magical "Morning Dew" of all time.
Barton Hall, Cornell University - Ithaca, NY (5/8/77)
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There is no denying the character and analog warmth of vinyl. It does sound a bit mid-rangy to me, but whatever. Our ears are all calibrated differently (see Owsley's story).
I like vinyl. Growing up on records, I love the album sleeves, the artwork, watching the record go round and round.
The aforementioned listening test was a $1,000 Bang and Olufsen. I'm not the vinyl geek but my friend is. It was 180 gram vinyl it's all he'll play. He has two copies of every album, one to play and one to never be played. Whatever.
I think more than anything, the overall improvement and enhancement in sound quality - and increased pleasure in listening - came from Jimmy Page bringing up various backing tracks in the mix and honing and fine tuning it all for the cd remasters.
I think we both wanted the vinyl to sound better, but it didn't, and we both acknowledged it. I think it killed a bit of the mystique - but ain't that life.
The Dead (Arista) have released almost everything in HDCD. When decoded, HDCD reduces levels by 6db and can add peak extension. This can add missing dynamics to CD's. Unfortunately, none of the HDCD releases in a very long time have actually used peak extension. Maybe it's just not really necessary with GD music?
Also, as far as May 77, the most compelling reason I have heard in why this tour was so great is that it followed the recording of Terrapin Station at Sound City. There is a great documentary on the history of that studio and how bands tended to hole up there.
Well, actually theres a couple other things to consider when looking at Vinyl vs CD. One of the biggest considerations is the fact that CD's are mastered with brickwall limiters, which expand and limit the audio at close to 0 DBFS. This eliminates virtually all dynamics in a track and gives you a continuous stream of sound at the same level. This was adopted during the "loudness" wars in the '90s when record companies and recording engineers realized they could squash the music up to 0 DBFS with no distortion and make the CD seem as loud as others. This was a huge mistake because it created a standard for CD mastering afterwards. Vinyl, being analogue, doesn't follow the same mastering rules, in fact it can't. Vinyl mastering is a process that doesn't brick wall limit the music, thus retaining original dynamics of the music. If you listen to an old live recording on Vinyl of a band like the Grateful Dead that has a vast amount of dynamics throughout their music, and then listen to the CD equivalent, you will probably be tempted to adjust the volume on the Vinyl from time to time, vs a set it and forget it mentality with the CD.
The source lineage is important, vinyl can obviously be created from a digital source, however it would sound terrible if there wasn't a separate analogue mastering process.
Let's open the case back up. Exhibit A: "quality" Zep vinyl. Exhibit B: a "remastered" CD. Both played through the same amplification. What appears to some to be a heads up competition, is really not. When it comes to sound quality there is a lineage that will determine a great deal. The beginning of the quality of sound starts at the source. Just how was the music mixed and mastered? In the case of Exhibit A, we don't know what "quality" vinyl is. I suspect it's 120g grade vinyl. Audiophile quality starts at 180g. If the Zep vinyl was 180g then it's quite possible that it was remastered. If i's just an old but great shape vinyl, then the next in line for quality is how it's pressed. So what we have here is in all likely hood a remastered copy of a song vs. one that is not. Sub par vinyl player vs. a working CD player (it decodes the 1's and 0's). Ruling: case is thrown out. Remastered CD better sound better in this case, but one can not make a solid judgement of vinyl vs. CD based on this comparison.
If you want a real comparison, it will depend on what you are looking for in sound. Vinyl, can sound a whole lot warmer, and different than CDs if set up properly. Roll some amp tubes and keep the sound evolving.
If you want to listen to vinyl and appreciate what it has to offer, then get a high-end turntable set-up, not a highly priced, swanky looking Bang & Olufsen, a manufacturer that has never been renowned for producing quality sound, rather for its Scandinavian design. Case closed.
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We put some quality vinyl Zeppelin on my friend's high end Bang & Olufsen turntable and gave it a listen. Then, the remastered Zep box set through the same power amp, speakers etc. Turned out the cd's were way brighter and punchier with deeper low end and countless tracks (acoustic guitars, etc.) that came out of the mix that you couldn't even hear on the vinyl. Case closed.
Check my earlier post for that. Doh!
Wonder when they will update this page to show which songs are on which discs. Definitely curious here.
I posted this under the Get Shown the Light set, but want to make sure this reaches all fans interested in the recordings of this show. I am bringing to public light some great photos I took of the show, including pre-show setup and sound check. Check out my website for more info about my upcoming book project. If you want me to keep you posted, please like my Facebook page or send me an email through my website, or PM me here. My next step is to launch a Kickstarter to raise money for printing, where you will have a chance to preorder the book at a discount. I will post again here when that is ready to go. Thanks for looking!
Going to order it soon !
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Hello Kind Folks,
I was late to the party for the Dave's Picks 1-18, now a subscriber and totally missed the other Box set of the May 1977 release. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to trade some music or maybe even out of the kindness of their heart, share some of this music with me. I have Dick's Picks, Much of Europe 72. Lots of Jerry Band, Zappa etc. I would of course be willing to pay the cost of shipping and blank CDs. I just am looking for the music, and seems they are no longer avail. Trying to pick them up on ebay but whoooza?
I listen to Archive.org but just can't get the volume I can from CDs via my system.
Thanks contact here or at Jerryg66@hotmail.com
One final off-topic mention: Playing 5/13/77 on an HDCD player (Emotiva ERC-3), and the detail and realism is far beyond the non-HDCD player (Onkyo C-7030) that I've been using for years. Now, that largely may be the difference between a $500 and and $200 device. But the Onkyo is highly regarded, not without reason. I've also noticed that some of the new line of Yamaha Blu-Ray players decodes HDCD, including the $330 BD-S681 (even though they don't advertise it for this one, people confirm it has it). No idea how they'd rank. This Emotiva's performance is comparable to really clean vinyl with an above-average turntable/cartridge. Makes me wonder how much of the falloff in the CD market is because so few of us have good enough players for them -- or is it more the terrible audio engineering predominating out there beyond Deadland?
Thanks for the detailed knowledge! I am sure it will sound great and since I got jammed on the big box, this will be good to have.
My understanding is the HDCD decoding takes place in conjunction with the initial DAC. So your analog out from the CD player is HDCD decoded (if the player has the feature), and then you're golden no matter what you do with it after that. The digital out from your CD player, on the other hand, would not be HDCD decoded. When used that way, the CD deck is called a "transport."
Currently I have a (non-HDCD) Onkyo CD player into a mid-range Onkyo amp, and even though they both have DACs of similar specs, they're different brands. The sound that results is noticeably better using the CD player's DAC, even though that means there's an analog cable between them, which unlike digital cables can itself be an issue for quality.
I know that the last digital device in a digital chain (CD -> preamp) must be able to decode HDCD in order to get the benefit of HDCD.
But, does anyone know if I played my analog out of my Oppo DVD player (HDCD capable) and inputted the analog signal into my DSP PreAmp, would the Analog to Digital Conversion (ADC) strip the HDCD benefit out?
I suspect yes but wanted to know if anyone knew definitively.
PS: I know this thread is about the analog album, but the discussion as of late has been HDCD.
After years of listening to so many of all these GD releases I always wondered if I was missing something by not having an HDCD player. On the Steve Hoffman Forums someone suggested I should buy a used Oppo or Denon (cheaper) CD player. Finally this past November I purchased on Ebay a DENON DCM-390 Black 5 Disc Cd Player for about $45 all in. Wow what a difference, it seems to me the mids and highs are clearer and the music has more presence. My system is very basic as in a 1991 Onkyo 80 watt receiver & current Klipsch RPM 350 speakers. I listen to the GD about 75% of the time (king Crimson live shows are second most, their Starless box set is my second favorite box set after E72) I am glad I made the HDCD switch.
I am also all in on this vinyl set!
I'm getting old! You are correct...Dead stuff is HDCD...not SACD. The new OPPO dvd players will not play HDCD. You will have to find a used one...on Ebay?...to play your discs. I did.
Sorry for the confusion on this issue. Getting "old" is a difficult thing to deal with. The next thing I will be posting that the grateful dead played a concert in Esperence, New York. When you see that appear then hopefully someone will delete my account on dead.net.
This may have already been brought up, i was just checking the last few posts, but i will post this info, anyhow! Windows media player decodes and plays HDCD formatting. As HDCD technology is owned by Microsoft. You can play these discs through your laptop, using windows media player and hook it to your stereo using quality wiring, and enjoy the HDCD effect. I use an older windows laptop, i no longer use for anything else, and have it hooked up to my harman kardon with nice cables, and use it exclusively for my dead discs, and keep it always hooked up to relisten.com, so i can click on a year, a date, a source, and click play, and be listening to any show from the archive, using this much easier site, I want. And it's not limited to just the Grateful Dead...Phish, Ween, and just about every band worth listening to, has a live show section! Relisten's mobile app for iPhone only, is the $hit! I use it on a daily basis!
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But Mr. Pete ... what from the Dead has been released in SACD? The Oppo UDP-203 has dropped HDCD support (according to the FAQ at http://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203-faq.htm). All these Dead CDs are HDCD. Did they have some SACD releases?
For those who are looking to "really" upgrade your dvd player and get a great sacd player thrown in...Check out the new OPPO UPD-203 player. A bit expensive but nothing else compares. I have had Oppo's since they first came out and all I can say is the company is "wonderful" do deal with. All the stereo/video reviews give their products wonderful reviews. Quality of their product(s) is top shelf!
And..I am sure you will hear a difference between a dead cd in sacd..and...not in sacd.
Off topic for vinyl, but thanking Pete for the HDCD review, since that's something I've been wondering about. The 2017 Oppos have dropped HDCD decoding. Used ones of course still have it.
New, there's an Emotiva CD player for $500 that still has it, and that some claim has better fidelity even than the Oppos. Unlike them it only plays CDs though. Personally I'm holding off on a vinyl purchase for this -- do have the order in for the CD box -- half thinking that the money can be better spent to get more out of all the Dead CDs I've piled up. Not that my Onkyo player sounds bad. But the HDCDs on it do sound less clear in the louder passages, which is where to a normal CD player the HDCD recording should come through as compressed.
I purchased a used OPPO player just for the HDCD playback. It does sound better when I a/b the discs with my other cd player. Look on eBay, etc, and see if you can find a use OPPO. They make the best dvd/cd players for the money.
I think is a holdover from the CD description and won't apply to the vinyl. I don't understand it fully but from what I gather, HDCD is a way to master using 20 digital bits instead of the CD red book standard 16 bits, but can still be played back with a normal CD player. I believe you don't actually get any HDCD benefit unless you have an HDCD decoder on your CD player, which exists only on the higher end models. In fact, not many record labels even issue anything utilizing the process anymore. I do hear if you have the right player it does make a difference though. I don't have one so I can't say for sure. Assuming the transfer from tape was at least 96k 24b, hopefully there was a separate hi-res master made to cut the vinyl. Rarely do you get this kind of specific info from the labels.
Thanks for the prompt response - never thought they had one shot after the baking process. It is pretty remarkable, we are such lucky fans...
From an audio engineer's perspective (and vinyl guy), I think we are lucky these tapes even played back, as it sounds like they may not have been stored properly. If so you would really only want to play them back once or twice, after baking them in a convection oven for roughly 8 hours. Then you get one playback and need to bake again. This would mean there is no way you would cut vinyl directly from the master tape. At most you would make a tape to tape copy and then cut vinyl from that, which is how the Beatles Mono vinyl box set was made (and sounds amazing btw). Cutting directly from tape requires specialized tape decks with a preview head sent to the cutter, as well as someone who is very good at doing that. It would definitely be a more expensive process, which would be passed onto us. That said it could be done like the Beatles set, and I also prefer all analog cuts, but I think this option is a viable way to go considering the condition of the tapes. Also a lot of mastering engineers rave about the plangent process, so I feel confident they will sound amazing and will be listening as soon as they arrive!
I agree, I'd like to know how they will pull this off. It would be nice to hear more about the Analog -> remaster -> plangent -> analog processing too but that's the audio geek in me talking...
I don't want to come off as a dick... But couldn't you market each item differently? Like when you search the LP you see the breakdown per album? Not the layout for the CD?
It's going to sound better than the CD. 100% sure.
Here's more on the process
Actually, I'm fine with some precision mastering. Have you heard any of the other recent vinyl releases? They're doing really good work.
What it says at the top of the page is: "Sourced from the master Betty Boards, transferred and restored by Plangent Processes. Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman".
If this sequence applies to the vinyl version, then first the Plangent Processes read the analog tape, make the corrections etc. and output a digital version. Subsequent mastering to HDCD is thus somewhat irrelevant - the Plangent output is digital. This is what I understand from reading about the process on Plangent's website. The question then becomes: Which would provide the better sound: analog mastering direct from Betty's masters or a Plangent restored digital version subsequently mastered to HDCD, then cut to analog discs?
If this is true I will be canceling my order of the 5LP box as I will have the CD too anyway.
Can we get a straight answer from GDP/R about if and why this LP was not (if not) from analogue source (Betty's tapes) to vinyl?
if GDP/R will not answer,can any audiophile heads want to clue me in as to why? other thatn 'SO it can be Normanized'?
I don't get it. am I missing something here?
WE WANT THE PURE ANALOGUE SOUND FROM THE SOURCE/MASTER TAPES WHENEVER POSSIBLE, THAT'S WHY WE BUY VINYL
PLEASE ANSWER SOMEONE BEFORE 5/5/17 SO I CAN CANCEL MY LP ORDER.
Mine ordered :)
I'm wondering if the HDCD note was just a transfer from the CD listings. Wouldn't seem to make sense to master these from HDCD. However, many represses released these days are mastered from hi def digital. Now, mastering wax from hi def digital will arguably sound better than CD (more information present), but is not identical to mastering from analog. It's likely all live Dead being released, from DaP to RSD vinyl only releases, are being mastered to hi def digital and then on to either CD, FLAC, vinyl, etc.
All this being said, I have all the recent live vinyl releases, and they all sound quite good. So, my question is what is the actual source for the vinyl mastering? I've never seen vinyl listed as sourced from HDCD. Maybe someone at Dead.net/Rhino can chime in with more info.
Also, commence the audiophile discussions and debates about why higher def format than Redbook (CD) matters or doesn't matter:)
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Why would you take the beautiful analog copies of this from the Betty boards, transfer and master it in HDCD, then transfer it back to Analog. Seems to defeat the purpose of audio fidelity and will be the reason why I am not ordering this, and also the reason why I canceled my 7" subscriptions.
Come on GPD. Get it together. You know better!!! And that's whats frustrating.
It should be pretty sweet on LP!!
I was gonna rant about the price, but..
I have purchased both the box set and the lp collection. Since I am 70 years old I have a preference for LP's. I guess, growing up in the 60's one becomes a tuned to the nice mellow sound of analog. I bet this LP collection will even sound better with a tube amp!
I had a discussion, on Saturday, with some guys approximately my age discussing their kids music habits..via cell phones. Both said that their kids never listened to anything completely. They skip from one song to another. I was listening to a discussion by a person who owns a music service, on NPR?, and made the comment that from their research most people do not even finish a complete song.
To me, sitting down with an album cover, a good bowl of English pipe tobacco with my favorite meerschaum pipe, and a glass of good beer/scotch and just reading the LP cover...and listening to the music....from start to finish...is one of life's greatest pleasures.
So, I cannot wait until the Cornell set comes out. Now, all I have to do is live long enough!
p.s. I turned these gentlemen on to The Paul Butterfield bands LP...East-West. One of my all time favorite blues LP's. The song...East-West...is a master piece.
I took that to mean what it says, you can download the digital single ten times and you haven't downloaded it once yet. I got the same message when I ordered the box set within a half hour of its announcement. Do you think it refers to the number of 5LP sets left?
If you order one of these, look at the confirmation thing and see if it also says 10 left for the digi download:
like this ...
1 x Digital Single - “Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain” $0.00
Download (10 left)
Maybe it's just a default value for if there's more than 10 left.
Anyhow, looking forward to this. I just got my vinyl player reborn and it wails...
Be Aware of that cmovieboxapp's links. He's a spammer, he could be trying to put malware on your computers!
Killer side 10 filler could have been Wharf Rat, Around Around, U.S. Blues from Boston Garden 5/7/77...
This will be my first Vinyl that has a "custom etching" no audio side?? Why wouldn't they put some sort of filer on the 10th side? Seems like a waste of Vinyl? This is what I do every time I make some one a copy of any show and there is extra space?? Put something tasty that makes 'em want more. Or a chance to turn them on to something else??
One aspect of the Cornell show no one seems to reflect about is the fact the show virtually took place where and when Carl Sagan recorded the GOLDEN RECORD for the Voyager Mission. At the University of Cornell ... late spring-early summer 1977. This unique record has now travelled to Interstellar Space with Voyager 1, launched in mid-1977. The Voyager Mission is a major achievement for humanity, sort of a Dark Star of our modern age. The Golden Record will last for another 100 million years in outer space (!) following Nasa.
And then there is another GOLDEN RECORD, covering a show recorded at the same spot and time ... by a certain Betty Cantor Jackson.
I placed my order for the GOLDEN VINYL RECORD ... drunk on Burgundy whine
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From what I can tell they have mastered this so there will be no flipping sides during transitions; at the expense of having the 10th side of record 5 with no audio... I have several of the recent vinyl Dead releases - 11/18/72, 4/25/77, and 5/4/79... all released by Rhino... All are done to limit fades/music breaks... I think there is one between drums and wharf rat on 4/25/77, but its tasteful... I hope the release include Bobby's take a step back before scarlet...
Actual list of tracks on sides is here:
Geoffbingo27, I don't quite understand what it is that you are concerned about. Were you hoping for Dancin'>Scarlet>Fire>Estimated on one side of an LP? Last time I looked, LPs had a diameter of 12" and could contain around 20 minutes of music.
i got really nervous when i saw the disc and it said that scarlet>fire was in between dancin' in the streets and estimated prophet. i was like "if they split it up, what's the point?!"
is this your speculation based on song lengths and songs that transition into each other, or did you find the actual list of tracks on sides somehwere?