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Dave's Picks Volume 9: Harry Adams Field House, U. of Montana 5/14/74 CD - SOLD OUT

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We're kicking off Dave's Picks 2014 with a visit to the Wall Of Sound era. Dave's Picks Volume 9 features the complete show from May 14, 1974, at Adams Field House at the University of Montana in Missoula, the Grateful Dead's only appearance in the state of oro y plata. This monstrously hot show is the third official show of the Wall Of Sound, which had debuted in March 1974. Highlights run deep including the second performance of “Scarlet Begonias,” a 22+ minute “Playing In The Band” that leans heavily on the band's jazz chops, and a second set jam of “Weather Report Suite>Dark Star” that contains some of the deepest jamming of 1974, and that's saying a heck of a lot! It also features one of only a handful of versions of “Dark Star” played in 1974, a song heading toward a long hiatus, and this one digs deep into some of the wildest spaces you'll ever hear. Rockers, ballads, and jams, 5/14/74 covers all the bases, with plenty of nuances to revel in, each and every listen.

Product Details

3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: February 1, 2014

Listening Party

5/14/74, Missoula, Montana


"Weather Report Suite"

David Lemieux Volume 9 Seaside Chat

Tracklist

Harry Adams Field House, University of Montana, Missoula, MT (5/14/74)

Disc 1
1. Bertha [6:15]
2. Me And My Uncle [3:15]
3. Loser [6:39]
4. Black-Throated Wind [6:52]
5. Scarlet Begonias> [7:21]
6. It Must Have Been The Roses [5:44]
7. Jack Straw [5:18]
8. Tennessee Jed [8:18]
9. Mexicali Blues [3:39]
10. Deal [4:46]

Disc 2
1. Big River [5:21]
2. Brown-Eyed Woman [5:13]
3. Playing In The Band [20:49]
4. U.S. Blues [5:48]
5. El Paso [4:44]
6. Row Jimmy [8:52]

Disc 3
1. Weather Report Suite [16:08]
Prelude [1:26]
Part I [4:32]
Part II (Let It Grow) [10:10]
2. Dark Star> [26:39]
3. China Doll [5:52]
4. Promised Land [3:46]
5. Not Fade Away> [6:15]
6. Goin’ Down The Road Feeling Bad [9:58]
7. One More Saturday Night [4:50]

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@nebulorb

June 16th, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds at the Louisville Palace. I scored row E, center tix during a presale, and I am super stoked for the Bad Seeds' first ever KY appearance, although I now live two hours away. Speaking of the Ryman, I saw the Bad Seeds there this time last year. I saw Dead Can Dance there on their last tour, as well. It's a nice place; most uncomfortable concert seat I've ever had. I assume you are in Nashville? If so, have Pad Thai at Smiling Elephant for me!

Ratdog played Indy last night. I didn't go, but some of my friends went. I didn't know until last night Steve Kimmock was with them. If I had known that, I might have made a better effort to go.

Another show I want to attend soon, Tinariwen in Nelsonville, OH, right smack in the middle of Wayne National Forest. Would be a killer show, and killer lodging among the Spring wild flowers. Two birds with one stone! Tinariwen will play Nashville on March 18th. It would behoove you to attend. If you haven't heard of them, they are a band from Mali, Taureg nomads who fought in the first Mali Civil war. They put down their guns and picked up guitars. They now cannot return to Mali for fear of violence and imprisonment, so they have taken up residence in Joshua Tree. What better place for desert nomads, am I wrong?

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return of 5/8/77

@CrispyRob - "the return of 5/8/77, 5/9/77, 7/8/78 and other classics (and uncirculated nuggets) to the Vault would dovetail nicely with next year's 50th anniversary celebration, don't y'all think?"

Yes, I was thinking the exact Same Thing, my friend.

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will again say that I'm not looking for fancy boxes or books. I simply want a pristine physical copy of the music.

To TPTB: Please DO NOT release these long lost shows as Limited Ed. Expensive (re: exclusive) Box Sets. Make it affordable!

We don't want to miss out on getting the music because we can't afford the accoutrements of the box.

And as long as I'm in broken record mode.....

What about Santa Fe? :-)

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Betty Boards

Thank you Rob Eaton. Interesting tale of the tapes. I hope Betty gets some money out of all this.

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Is your last name Eaton? haha
Thanks for the link to the article. This is going to be a great next 10-15 years release wise!

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I see 5/8/77 come shining

From the west unto the east
Any day now, any day now
It shall be released

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More idle speculation

But the return of 5/8/77, 5/9/77, 7/8/78 and other classics (and uncirculated nuggets) to the Vault would dovetail nicely with next year's 50th anniversary celebration, don't y'all think? Smithers, release the hounds!

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continuing conversations

@Vguy72 - "Have you heard of an outfit from Cincinnati called Over The Rhine? I also really enjoy The Flaming Lips and Los Lobos. Steely Dan ain't half bad either."

Yeah, I actually first heard OtR when they opened for the Junkies many years ago. They also played as part of the band during that tour. They had this fake banana on a necklace that they would hang around one another's neck if they made a mistake. Fun night. I also dig the other bands you mention -- some of my favorites. Los Lobos is just an awesome band to see live.

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@dantian - "Have you ever heard "Herbie Hancock Trio"? Really good stuff. Japanese import recorded in 1977"

Have not heard that one, but will check it out -- thanks for the recommendation!

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@matchewy - "Nebulorb, speaking of Six Organs, have you heard my other favorite Bay Area band, Comets on Fire? A member of Six Organs played with them before they broke up. Blistering heavy psych. I recommend "Field Recordings From the Sun"."

Yeah, I have all of their stuff, in fact I was just telling someone the other day when we were listening to their 'Avatar' album that the band name suits them so well... tons of kinetic energy & many of the songs sound like they are on the verge of simply flying apart at any moment. I like them a lot, though I find I have to turn the treble down just a touch whenever I play them as to save my ears! (they're one of those bands you must play LOUD)

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@claney - "Six Organs, great stuff. Also William Parker... hmmm, Neb, some of those others are not known to me, but based on the ones I do know, I'm gonna check that list out! Neb, if you like Parker, check out John Handy, especially at Monterrey Jazz Festival"

Sweet, thanks for the John Handy recommendation. I'll surely add that to my list of things to look for. Some of my tastes are quite eclectic/obscure, but I do have a confession to make... the reason you've never heard of Cave Street is because it's my own musical project. I had actually been re-listening to that album recently, so that part was true but it's certainly not something you'll ever see in a record store! Still for those of you into completely free-form, freak-out improvisation, you might just enjoy it! The spoken word section in the middle of the second track is actually a passage from the review of 8/27/72 from the Taping Compendium by John Dwork

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@hbob1995 - "Black Angels, QOTSA. Every day is different with some Dead mixed in."

Couple of awesome bands there! Got turned on to Black Angels when they played the theater in Dallas where I worked for awhile, excellent psych rock. Got turned on to Queens of the Stone Age when I saw them with one of my all-time favorite live bands, the mighty WEEN. (RIP) :-(

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@Star Dark - "Re Magical Sound: One from the Vault (GAMH '75) gets my vote!"

Agreed! After all these years, still one of my personal top GD vault releases!

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@itsburnsy - "So I have it on no good word at all that this year's box will be named "Brent Era Dead" and include six full shows."

LOL, save it for April Fools Day! But yeah, the first show you mention and the last three will surely see official release someday, eh? Not familiar with your 2nd & 3rd show on that imaginary box set list, will have to check them out.... but your mention of 3/29/90 in box set context got me thinking: How cool would it be to get a box set of all the Branford shows? That would be a good one!

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@Kubrick27 - "The new Beck album is fantastic. Very relaxed, a morning album for sure."

Just picked this one up, haven't fully digested it yet. Like matchewy says, similar vibe to Sea Change but to me seems much less melancholy... As for the production, there seems to be a modern trend of this endless reverb effect which I'm not a huge fan of.... don't get me wrong, I love me some reverb but there is a point at which it becomes distracting (to me, anyway... YMMV)

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@everyone:

Let's hear about upcoming shows you're stoked about.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing RatDog at the Ryman on Saturday from the front row of the balcony! Also Railroad Earth coming up in Nashville a few weeks after that.

You?

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Brace Yourself

Oh, man. Now you KNOW those Bettys are coming back. It may take a year or two, but when it happens, there will be big box sets galore. Rhino must be peeing their pants. Dave will have to postpone retirement. We'll all have to get second jobs to afford the bounty. The auction speculators will get a few bucks (good) and so will Betty (good). Praise be to Eaton and anyone else working it. All good things in all good time.

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Petition

Signed it a coue days ago. Thanks of sharing and getting the word out.

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There's a petition at Change.org related to a man who is serving a life sentence for selling pot and LSD. I thought it might be of interest.

https://www.change.org/petitions/my-brother-was-sentenced-to-life-without-parole-for-a-nonviolent-drug-offense?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=51038&alert_id=hkCuOZAxgA_CBnoSGrewH

(non-sequitur) Don't forget to make a donation to Archive.org!

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Thanks

Thanks for the link to the Relix article. Very interesting for sure! Amazing that these tapes can be salvaged after being exposed to not ideal environments for so long. The tapes should be back in the vault. The PTB & surviving band members should facilitate this. Peace.

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Betty Board

Speculating and reading between the lines, but I imagine there is some backchannel communication going on. It is always possible that a deal could be worked out if it's right for everyone involved, any prior public statements to the contrary. Lemieux's comments were made in the context of the goat guy's demand for $1 million, but TPTB might go for a reasonable deal, especially if almost all of the Betty Boards were involved. If they made an expensive deal with one of the Betty-stash-holders before the others, they would be worried about setting a precedent for the rest. But if they can work out a deal for virtually all of the tapes at once, that might not be as much of a concern. Just guessing, but no matter what, this seems like good news.

And yes, would nice to see Betty get some money out of it, she did an extraordinary job.

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back to the vault?

dave has said on more than one occasion "we wont pay for own music" or something to that effect...i wonder if he and rob are communicating. it would be a shame to have this situation result in hard feelings, bad vibes, etc

i would also think that the vault would want to have their engineers involved in the restoration?

i do think its high time that betty cantor get compensated, though

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Betty Boards

That's pretty much how I read it, Chris Grand - sounds like he has access to the 3 large batches of Betty Boards and is restoring them, although there are also a smaller number of stray reels out there that went with the clothing items, etc., that it sounds like are not available to him. It's not clear whether or not any of those made it into circulation (I would guess some but not all probably did, but that's pure speculation). Also very cool to see the photo of the 5/8/77 and 5/9/77 reel boxes. Talk about your holy grails.

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Thanks for the link CrispyRob...One of the most exciting articles I've read in a long time.

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betty boards

did i read the article correctly that rob eaton now is restoring EVERYTHING that is restorable from the 86 auction? or at least he has access to them?

wow

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What's Become of the Betty Boards

Some interesting reading that bodes well for the future, while we sit here and wait for news re: DP 10:

http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/whats_become_of_the_bettys

Meanwhile, I've been listening to the new Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, and looking forward to checking out the new Drive-By Truckers. Miles, Blackheart Man (great one), Hendrix Miami Pop, Mickey Hart's Rolling Thunder, and Art Tatum have all been in the rotation lately. Interesting to hear what others out there are listening to, definitely some things I'll need to check out.

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Once in a while...

you get shown the light. In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

Man, Do I Love The Grateful Dead.

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Blue Riddim Band

Forgot to mention Reggae. Saw Blue Riddim Band in Taos in the 80s. Best white reggae band I've ever seen. Little Women was a lot of fun also. I still think the roots reggae bands rule, Jimmy Cliff, Bob Marley, Toots and the Maytals, Israel Vibration, Burning Spear, Augustus Pablo. Would like to mention traditional Yaqui music also. Quite a bit of variation. Met Phil Deguerre (Sunshine Daydream)at Yaqui a few times. Kilauea headed to the North Shore to surf, the man must have his wits about him and hold up with the best. And don't want to leave out Hawaiian music. I like that Kilauea also brought the topic back to 1974, Missoula, Grateful Dead. The sound quality is amazing. The 70s era of Missoula was cutting edge. Another show from that same month that was phenomenal was Santa Barbara. American String Band also played. A clean release of that band would be great. Viva Missoula, Viva Grateful Dead.

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Jane's "Ripple"

Yeah, they actually full on get into the "Other One" jam during the last few seconds of the track. Since it fades out, I am sure they went on for a bit. If so, it would be really cool to hear. Perry really gives a nice innocence and beauty to "Ripple" IMO.

Hear, hear to the Congos! "Heart of the Congos" is classic.

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Reggae

Loving all these reggae recommendation - some great stuff (Dr. Lunchbox, great call on the Congos - "Heart of the Congos" is some seriously addictive music).

One of my most treasured slabs of vinyl (not available on CD sadly) is Oku Onuora & AK7. This is some heavy reggae:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QlIsg-yyAM

Also recommend the Blue Riddim Band - early 80's, of all things - white dudes from KC and Chicago (the blues influence is NICE) - blew away the folks at Reggae Sunsplash in Jamaica. here they are playing Burning Spear in SF:, 1982:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwh5QEaX_HE

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Dave's Picks vol. 9 and beyond

Now that I've had a month and a half to digest Dave's Picks 9 I'm pretty stoked with it. Classic set list hits all my 74' buttons for sure, including a nice bubbly early Scarlet Begonias with a beautiful guitar interplay between Jerry and Bobby that must had the crowd on their feet dancing. Playing In The Band is just perfect sublime Dead with a middle section traveling along like a psychedelic bus cruising into oblivion only to turn the corner and coast down a glacier. Sweet sounds. Every tune is played well this night and Weather Report Suite/Dark Star/China is a meandering ride from cowboy land into the 60's Dead lands and further into hell before emerging back to earth so smoothly. This is why we listen to the Dead my fiends.

So that's my review. And now for my wish list:

Dave's Picks 10: late 69-early 70 lost but returned tapes Dave mentions. Please :)

Box: if not a run of shows at a venue like Winterland 74 or Berkeley 72 then perhaps a tour such as fall of 72 or 73.

Sweet dreams folks. I gotta drive up to the North Shore of Oahu this morning and catch the surf... Perhaps another run thru DP9 to accompany my journey... Playing' is in the deck. Aloha.

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Scratch Perry and Reggae Dead

A great introduction to Lee "Scratch" Perry is the Arkology box set. It's 3 discs and they're great. A number of noted artists he worked with in his Black Ark days and dub versions of many tracks as well. This set is a testament to the power of an opening track. Dub Revolution, Pt 1. blew my mind when I first heard it and remains one of my favorite reggae tracks.

There are a couple of reggae cover CDs of the Dead as well, if folks missed those. Fire On The Mountain: Reggae Celebrates the Grateful Dead (vol. 1 and 2).

Ras Michael doing If I Had The World To Give is worth the price of admission alone. It's absolutely amazing, IMO. Judy Mowatt does Row Jimmy, Joe Higgs does Uncle John's Band, Steel Pulse does Franklin's Tower, Dennis Brown does Good Lovin' plus others by Marcia Griffiths, Israel Vibration, Ken Boothe, The Congos, Sly & Robbie, etc. Really both discs are great and they got big names to take part, which is really cool too.

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deadicated!

blast from the past right there
i wore that thing out back in the day

jane's addiction's version of ripple, for those who dont know, is played over the rhythm of the other one. its spellbinding

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Sun Ra (the list never ends)

Other great music forms, the sound of the river, the fire burning, ice breakup on lakes and ponds at winters end. More Jazz; Sun Ra, Russell "Big Chief" Moore, Henry "Red" Allen, Mezz Mezzrow (Really the Blues), Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Dizzie Gillespie, Leon Thomas, Traditional Jazz, Big Band, Be-bop, Hard Bop, Free Jazz, Fusion. Also Folk; Ian and Sylvia, Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Buffy Sainte Marie, Peter Lafarge, Tom Russell, The Incredible String Band. Country; Bob Wills, Merl Haggard, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, George Jones (the possum), Charley Pride. Latin; Tito Puente, Armando Peraza (going on 90), Malo, Azteca, Santana. Andean; Flor Pucarina, Pucarino de los Andes, the unknown musicians on the streets of Cuzco. Blues; All the Kings, B.B. King, Albert King, Freddie King (big influence on Garcia along with Bob Wills),Paul Butterfield, Mike Bloomfield. And the list goes on and on; Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, Big Brother and the Holding Company, Quicksilver Messenger Service ( I hear the 11/5/66 show was released recently), Country Joe and the Fish, Cold Blood, CCR, Love, Rolling Stones, Beatles, The Animals (Eric Burden kicks ass), Cream, Jimi Hendrix, John Mayall (Jazz Blues Fusion), the Who, Link Wray, The Band. Traditional music of Zuni, Hopi. Throat singing of the Arctic, Mongolia. Traditional music of Africa, Traditional music of the Middle East, Traditional music of Japan, and last but not least, your own heart beat. This list never ends.

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Burning Spear

would be the guy for Estimated Prophet! Perfect fit.

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Deadicated and Reggae

I've never owned Deadicated, but friends and roommates had it back when it came out. It's been a long time since I've heard the whole thing. Burning Spear also released "Estimated Prophet" as a bonus track on Jah Kingdom, his album that came out around that time. Great cover. I love the part where he slows it down for "We're standing on the beach/ the seas will part before me...."

@matchewy, good call on Blackheart Man and Marcus Garvey and @Ken Goodman, Lee Perry was a studio genius. I like the early Wailers' Upsetter Sessions with Perry mixing. Need to check out Augustus Pablo. I know of him, but haven't heard much. Other favorites of mine include Israel Vibrations, Unconquered People; Culture, Two Sevens Clash; Steel Pulse, Handsworth Revolution; The Abyssinians, Satta Massagana; Toots and the Maytalls, Funky Kingston.

@wilfredt, Yeah, I'll keep an eye out for DP4 on Real Gone. Their price tag has prevented me from filling in other gaps in my collection, but for 2/13-14/70 it will be well worth the mark up. Man, I wish the legal issues associated with Bear's Choice didn't stand in the way of releasing those as a full shows. It's a shame. It would be sweet if they could also include the Allman Bros. performance from at least one of those nights, which Bear recorded and GD Merch released in the mid or late '90s. That's now OOP and really hard to find.

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@ matchewy

yes, the tribute album: Deadicated

wow... 1991. On my local radio station...

Los Lobos Bertha, Indigo Girls Uncle John's Band, Bruce Hornsby And The Range Jack Straw and Suzanne Vega Cassidy all got a fair amount of play....

haven't pulled it out in awhile!

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Re Reggae...

If you're unaware of the existence of Lee Scratch Perry...
seek out his work from the 1970's. That's when he's at his rootsy best.
Plus you can't go wrong with Augustus Pablo CDs:
East of the River Nile; King David's Melody and
Original Rockers. Holiness.

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Funny you mention it, on my commute to work this morning I listened to pieces of Bunny Wailer's "Blackheart Man", along with "Give 'Em Enough Rope" by the Clash and "Global A Go-Go" by Joe Strummer. For the way home, "Marcus Garvey" by Burning Spear. We are all connected, Carl Jung, Universal Consciousness, etc, etc.

Speaking of Burning Spear, how about the ol' "Deadicated (to the Rainforest)" Dead tribute album from 1991. Burning Spear did "Estimated Prophet" on that one. The whole disc is stellar with highlights of Los Lobos "Bertha"; Bruce Hornsby "Jack Straw"; Suzanne Vega "Cassidy>China Doll"; Cowbiy Junkies "To Lay Me Down"; Lyle Lovett "Friend of the Devil"; Jane's Addiction "Ripple"; Midnight Oil (rockin' version of) "Wharf Rat"; and Indigo Girls "Uncle John's Band". That's a lot of the album, and there are others, Dr. John, Warren Zevon, etc. It's really great. I remember the Summer after 8th grade seeing a special on network TV about the Dead which featured a lot of these covers played live by the artists, along with live footage of the Dead and audience footage/interviews. I specifically recall the live footage of the Without a Net "Eyes of the World" with Branford. About that same time, "One From the Vault" was released. That double disc was the soundtrack of that Summer for me (eyes glaze over with a sigh as I set adrift on a sea of warm memories of Summer nights and Woodland Park; ahhhh).

Anyway, funny to see some of those bands mentioned in this very forum here 23 years later as suggested listening. That Tribute album is now out of print, but I think you can pickup used copies on the internets for reasonable amounts. It is definitely worth seeking.

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I've done it....

...leaving CD's on the roof that is. They were a Pixies, U2 and Black Crowes CD's if I recall correctly. Went around the block before I realized. Of course, they were roadfill by the time I circled around. Shame. I also left some floormats on the roof after detailing the interior of my Jeep before taking off. Got the right front floorboard one back though. One out of four ain't bad. Watch out for those roofs brothers and sisters. They will haunt you. I hear Santa Fe has a rebate offer for roof-laden martyrs.

p.s. got a new set of mats from my wife on Christmas. God bless her. She hates The Pixies. No love there.

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Down the road...

Maybe not this year- how about releasing the '77 New Year's show, and the first set to 12/30/77 as a bonus disc. Listening to 12/30's first set tonight, and it's a great one. This show is certainly deserving of release in it's entirety, though with (thankfully) most of the second set on Dick's Picks 10, the wonderful first set remains unreleased. 12/31/77 + Set I to 12/30/77 as a bonus disc- it's a '77 lover's dream. Speaking of Dick's Picks 10, how about some good news???

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jvanderveen re: DP4

I'm not sure where in the reverse chronological sequence they are now, but Real Gone records is re-releasing all the original Dick's Picks cds. It'll probably set you back $40-$50 when they get to it. That's just a guess. It's still a tough mistake though leaving it on the roof, ouch. We've all been there...

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Miscellaneous Debris

I'm getting some great tips on here about bands and albums that I haven't heard. Thanks for the inspiration!

I agree that Mason's Alone Together is a great album. I first heard it on the radio, played in its entirety, on the drive home from a GD show at The Palace of Auburn Hills in the spring of '92.

I'm going to check out some of the Cowboy Junkies albums ya'll are talking about. I saw them in Ft. Collins, CO, opening up for Koko Taylor back in the late '90s. They were good, but, MAN, KOKO!!

Any roots reggae fans on here? I recently bought a new copy of Burning Spear's Hail H.I.M. after I left my original copy on top of my van (along with DP 4--DOH!)while buckling my daughter into her car seat. Found both in the road later, completely destroyed. Last time I make that mistake. Anyhoo, Hail H.I.M. is probably my favorite reggae album not recorded by Marley (Bob, not Damien, Stephen, or Ziggy, although I like some of their stuff, too). Now, if I could only find a replacement for DP4 under $100.

Finally, I've been on a '76 kick lately and had forgotten how much I loved the Day on the Green shows when that pick first came out. I missed most of the late DPs, because I was a grad student at the time, with not a lot of dough, and was downloading sbds off of LMA pretty much nonstop. DP 33 is so tight, and the second sets of both shows are stellar.

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Strider:

After spending lots of $ on Coltrane CDs...I've finally discovered THE BEST Coltrane Album (allowing, of course, for A Love Supreme). And that best-of-all Coltrane double CD is.............Afro Blue Impressions. If you want to save lots of money, simply purchase Afro Blue Impressions and then never worry about buying another Coltrane CD.

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Missoula, Montana / Grateful Dead

I love the CD. Great choice Dave. Other Artists I've listened to recently; Louis Armstrong, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Elisapie Isaac. Train Whistles. Spring bird songs. Wind in the willows.

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@Kubrick27

Oh yeah, the new Beck is very nice. It is much like "Sea Change", but that is my second favorite Beck album (first is "Mutations"), so that is fine by me. The production is really stellar!

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Wissinoming/Vinyl Timing-9-4-79

Good point about the 5/4/79 vinyl release Wissonoming -->

"Estimated>Eyes it clocks in at 26:52 doesn't that seem a little to long for vinyl."

I agree - though it *can* be done, that doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. Listening to the segue from Eyes to Drums, I think they can easily fade out and cut more than a minute from that time, down to around 25:50. The jam basically stops dead for a minute before Drumz kicks in. And arguably they could fade out a couple minutes before that, though Jerry is doing some nice things noodle-wise, it basically sounds like fast scales to me. I would actually prefer the fade-out around 23 minute mark to preserve as much sound quality as possible.

Or, as others have suggested, a CD-release would solve the problem :)

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Other music...

Been catching up with the thread over the last couple days and I saw some great recommendations. Thanks! Figured I would chip in one of my own. The new Beck album is fantastic. Very relaxed, a morning album for sure. Looking forward to DaP10 as much as most of you.

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Just an FYI...

What are being referred to as "general releases" are multi-track recordings. Until the Winterland boxes, releases outside of vault releases were almost, if not always multitrack, and the vault releases: DP, DaP, were 2 track from the boards. This changed with the Winterland sets, as well as the May 1977 box. Also, the 2 tracks were used for Spring 1990. The "From the Vault" releases were multitrack, ironic as it may seem. Multitrack tapes may be more few and far between and limited to tours caught for live compilations and possibly radio broadcasts. Notice most of the recent stand alone offerings are 1989-1990 multitracks.

Family Dog was a bit of a horse of a different color. A stand alone 2 track vault release, I think it was more of a reaction and second thought (on CD). TPTB seemed to just spazz out over the find (rightfully so, IMO)and want to get it out. Add the RSD dimension and one of these kids is doing his own thing.

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Clarification: I like a

Clarification: I like a general release not in conjunction with an event like RSD or Meet Up At The Movies. Just a random release. Peace.

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I like a general release

I would put both Sunshine Daydream and the acoustic '70 show in the "general release" column.

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Every suggestion for release in the...

last 5-10 posts are all worthy contenders. Here's to releasing them all in 2014! I hope everyone gets their wish!

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You can get that kind of time out of vinyl. However, anything over 20 min a side begins to cause issues in the mastering and cutting that results in fidelity loss. It can be done, but it's not always the best thing to do in regards to fidelity.

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New Box Set: MSG N.Y. September 1979!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A September 1979 Madison Square Garden box set is a very worthy three show run which would sell very well IMHO.

Why?

It is Brent's first MSG N.Y. shows and almost a 1980s release (look at how well Fox Atlanta 80 sold). MSG N.Y. does not have the Box Set Treatment yet and this three night stand would be a smaller and more affordable box too. They were strong shows.

Hey Dave. . .. Think about it . . .. It adds up.

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RSD 2014

Let's hope that TPTB will officially release 5-4-79. If I remember a few years ago DL put a small list of shows from 1977 & 1979 I believe the list consisted of the following shows:
4/23/77
5/11/77
5/17/77
5/26/77
5/4/79
5/12/79
I maybe missing a date from 1977, however I clearly remember 5/4/79 & 5/12/79 being on the list. I was especially intrigued by 5/4 Hampton, Va. & 5/12 Amherst, Ma. As Soundboards do not exist for either show. I believe the official announcement will not be made until 3/20/14 according to waxpoetic.com. The only information available as of today is the track list. It will be a double record set consisting of the last 4 songs from the first set & the second set minus Drumz their was no Encore played. I'm most intrigued by side B of vinyl 2, Estimated>Eyes it clocks in at 26:52 doesn't that seem a little to long for vinyl? I think the longest song I have on vinyl is Close To The Edge on Yessongs & that clocks in at 21:35 I believe. I timed the enire release at 96.32 again my timing maybe off a little however due to the source I used however I'm fairly confident it's not to far off. It seems rather long for a double record set. Just musing on a very interesting release & let's hope the release it on CD!!! HAPPY MONDAY, DEADLAND!!!!!!!!

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I like a general release

I like a general release every once in awhile like Truckin' Up To Buffalo, Crimson & E72 Vol. 2. How bout it PTB.

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Oh burnsy,

Were it
That wishing made it so
I'd have had the following
A long time ago...

Fall '73 box
Spring '71 box (listen to Ladies and Gentlemen again...'69 redux)

Peace/Katie

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I would buy that!

I skipped the 5/77 box and the 3/90 box because each only had 2 shows I knew I wanted and I couldn't afford the fight with the wife over the amounts of money involved.
I don't know if ItsBurnsy's statement has any truth to it, but I would spend the money on that box. There's 4 shows there I know I want to buy (79, 87, 89, 90)!

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Brent Era Box Announcement Soon

So I have it on no good word at all that this year's box will be named "Brent Era Dead" and include six full shows. The shows are:

12.1.79 - Pitts, PA
8.28.81 - Long Beach, CA
9.4.83 - Park City, UT
9.18.87 - New York, NY
10.26.89 - Miami, FL
3.29.90 - Uniondale, NY

Hell yeah, can't wait for the official announcement.