Dave's Picks Volume 9: Harry Adams Field House, U. of Montana 5/14/74 CD - SOLD OUT
We're kicking off Dave's Picks 2014 with a visit to the Wall Of Sound era. Dave's Picks Volume 9 features the complete show from May 14, 1974, at Adams Field House at the University of Montana in Missoula, the Grateful Dead's only appearance in the state of oro y plata. This monstrously hot show is the third official show of the Wall Of Sound, which had debuted in March 1974. Highlights run deep including the second performance of “Scarlet Begonias,” a 22+ minute “Playing In The Band” that leans heavily on the band's jazz chops, and a second set jam of “Weather Report Suite>Dark Star” that contains some of the deepest jamming of 1974, and that's saying a heck of a lot! It also features one of only a handful of versions of “Dark Star” played in 1974, a song heading toward a long hiatus, and this one digs deep into some of the wildest spaces you'll ever hear. Rockers, ballads, and jams, 5/14/74 covers all the bases, with plenty of nuances to revel in, each and every listen.
3 Disc set
Limited to 14,000 individually numbered copies
Mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman
Digipak made of 100% recycled and PCW materials
Release Date: February 1, 2014
Harry Adams Field House, University of Montana, Missoula, MT (5/14/74)
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why are we not being told what #10 will be? why the secret? first time with the subscription, they have took the money, how about a hint? anything? just silence. Why? I think I heard that they have all been pretty much picked out for the year, why is it a secret?
Sorry, Charlie - the post-Brent era wasn't the peak of *anything* for the good ol' Grateful Dead. Except maybe keyboard volume.
I like to think of four or five different Grateful Deads. The '60s model had nothing to do with the early '80s model. They sounded *nothing* alike, nor did they even play many of the same tunes. That said, each of the Deads played great gigs and terrible gigs. The ratios differed from year to year, but some stuff from '82 (for example) blows some stuff from '69 (for example) out of the water. Your mileage may differ.
Here's my prediction/wish list for this year's (potential) releases:
Vol. 10 Sept-Nov. of '72 (when's the last time there was a '72 Bonus Disc?)
Vol. 11 A '91-'94 show, maybe the '90 Zenith show or 9/26/91
Vol. 12 A '69-'70 show, like one of the Ark shows from April of '69
Box Set from Summer or Fall of '89.
When adding this year's first release is from '74, this seems like a relatively balanced list. In any case, it's high time DP10 is revealed.
It could also be 6-1-91 LA Coliseum
I do like all eras of Dead but obviously, to say every year was a peak year is the same as saying no year was a peak year.
I suspect we'll get an early 80s release this year, and am sure Dave will pick out a good one. But to suggest that 80-85 is right up there with any era from 68-77 is sort of like saying McCartney's best work was with Wings, or that Kenny Jones was the Who's best drummer. It seems some people have a little trouble being objective about the era when they started going to shows.
It's no big deal, really; we all love the Grateful Dead or we wouldn't be on these boards. I don't begrudge anyone their favorite era. But "favorite" doesn't have to be the same as "best."
Beers to you peakshead! Beers to you. Right on.
Each volume of Dick's Picks has its own "caveat emptor" label, advising the listener of the sound quality of the recording. The one for volume 33 reads:
"This space is usually reserved to warn you of sound quality anomalies on these two-track recordings. Disregard that for this Dick's Pick. There aren't any. It sounds great. Enjoy."
Yes, 65-95 was the peak. There is nobody who will complain about 72 or 77, and most everyone likes 74 and 78, too. I prefer 70 over all those years because of set list preference (you don't hear many Donna Viola Lee Blues !!). But what we most need now, PTB, is '67, '68, or early '69. Then some matrix '87 or '89. For the love of Jerry, please release 9/18/87 along with another "short" show.
And RSD Live at the Coliseum 2LP is rumored to be New Years 87' .. Not sure how accurate that info is.. The Dicks Picks I bought was a sealed Dicks Picks 33, ironically from the Oakland Coliseum Stadium.
Today in GD history 2-26-81 first set very nice. The first 4 are all very long. Reminds me of 4-29-84. Althea and Bird Song are xtra nice. Also got to hear 6-18-74 Tennessee Jed and a few others.
From the new Daves Montana Wall of Sound, the highlights for me were Black throated wind Scarlet, Jack Straw. Big River, Brown-Eyed Woman Playin, U.S. Blues, and obviously Disc 3 with WRS dark star > china doll and GDTRFB. Saturday Night was a nice encore too. I do favor the Dark Star from 6-23-74 with Spanish Jam > US Blues .. Although it is unfair to compare they are two completely different. 1974 is a top year and from tne end of the year the Paris Shows would be a great box, individual, or compilation release.
Cheers and keep the Dark Stars coming how about an 80's ? Or 69' / Feb.70 with Allman. ??
I'd like to hear something from June. '67-'80 would be fine.
Bubbling to the surface...
The topic of releases from different periods keeps bubbling to the surface so I'm going to chime in again for the umpteenth time with the mild hope that TPTB are reading. '72-'77 is played out for awhile IMHO. '67-'69 would be sweet along with early 80's or 1991. You could make an argument that they have released enough '69 for awhile or that it is redundant to last years DaP w/Bonus. I have always said I will buy what they put out because this is how I like my Dead. A little packaging and alotta grate sound. I don't do well with crappy recordings like I did in HS. I also, as stated many times in the past, am not a huge fan of this numbered/limited crap. The music should be available to fans in other forms like digital so folks don't get left out totally. I'd like to see a comparison of official releases by the show year to amount of shows played by year. My guess is '72 & '77 win the prize. Peaceage
RV3, Correct me if I'm wrong, but the second set from '71 released on Record Store Day was vinyl only, was it not? Are you thinking of the 4/18/70 Family Dog CD released last year?
And on the subject of DaP2 vs. DaP9, Mbarilla, you hit the nail on the head: 7/31-better show; 5/14-way better audio. That said, both shows are magnificent!
Has anyone gotten any info from emailing Dave Lemieux or dead.net/TPTB on DP #10/ bonus disc info??
Or for that matter any details on what this record store day release "LIVE AT THE COLISEUM" is?? I hope they will release this as a CD like they did for the '71 record store day release last year..
I am loving DaP9. I have listened to it continually since receiving it. I love to listen to a new release numerous times and to totally immerse myself in it for several weeks. This one has smoking versions of Big River and Not Fade Away. The DS and PITB, while different, are great. That is what makes the Dead so great. You can always hear different things in repeated songs form other shows. Never boring.
Still, with that said, I still like DaP2, 7/31/74, better. I like the overall song selection. Plus, I am sure that the fact that I was there is influencing me.
I gotta say that even though I love '73-'74 and have enjoyed Dave's 9, I agree with Spacebro. Something different would be nice. I've been listening to '89-'90 quite a bit lately and this morning broke out Dick's 6 from 10.14.83. I've never been big on the early '80s, but the second set from this show is smoking hot. Spinach Jam!!
For some, EVERYTHING is "a sign of oversaturation of one particular era."
And folks, those people know that they are the true connoisseurs of the Dead. Some might see that as condescension -- but that concept would bounce right off a connoisseur.
I got Led Zeppelin's 'Celebration Day' on blu-ray audio and it sounds great!
I would rather see another run released in, the near future. 3-29-90 seems to be the gem from the remaining shows. And would stand alone as an individual release ($20-$30). I do not feel like paying for a $200 + box set. My opinion, the $200 would be better spent on another tour rather than the rest of Spring 90'. Spring 90 had 6 shows and the remainder would be 8. Not including 3-15 (already released).
With that being said. I listened to 2-25-90 1st set last night. Some nice stuff. I am hoping for a 88-90 release soon. Summer 88 and Summmer 89/Fall89 would be nice.
Audio quality aside, which Daves pick do most favor? 7-31-74 or 5-14-74 ?
Both full shows, I favor 7-31-74 even though 5-14-74 has better audio.
The Dead had several highest peaks. With Pigpen, arguably 68/70. With Keith & Donna 72-74. With Brent, 80-85 then 87-90. Vince '91. Commercial peak? '87 onward and not even a close comparison.
A problem with '74 shows for the most part, and possibly why more full shows aren't released is because the hollow tonality of the vocals on the recordings.
For the "faithful" Deadicated fans among us, their highest peak was '65 - '95. I believe that tptb should let no year go under or unrepresented. With the main focus of this series being on the '70s, it's like watching a small screen black and white monophonic television in a high definition surround sound big screen world.
Speaking of which...Hey Dave!!!! How about a high definition surround sound mix of the multi-track recording from 3/29/90? Better yet, how about making the Spring 1990 Box Volume 2 all surround mixes. If people want their 70's shows, let them have them, and give us connoisseurs the full surround sound Fall '89 - Spring '90 enchilada? It could be one idea that might even surpass the E72 Box for overall awesomeness. Maybe put up the two-track Cutler mixes as downloads.
It would be awesome to hear a simulated '80s Healy concert surround mix as if you were there in the middle of the front of house and rear repeater towers with the Drumz/Space ping-ponging around the room.
I have countless conceptual ideas for releases. You guys at GDM should hire me on your team!
It's doubtful that we'll see two shows in a row from the same year, but wouldn't it be great if Dave gave us 5-19-74 Portland for the next release? The two shows are close in time but very different from each other. The Montana show is the Dead at their spacey best while the Portland show, while equally spectacular, is much more of a "rocker." It would be a lot of fun to compare and contrast these two shows back to back.
And let's not forget how VERY underrepresented 1974 is as far as complete shows go. This is the Grateful Dead at their highest peak. There were some great shows in 76/77, but never again would the band reach the heights they achieved in 73/74.
I notice that nobody is really talking about Dave's Picks 9 anymore.
My hopes are that Dave shakes things up a bit with this series and puts significantly more emphasis on the first 5 and last 15 years of the Dead's touring existence. The conversation about 5/14/74 seems to have ended after around two weeks from the first ship date.
5/14/74 is a great show and deserves years of conversation, but I fear that this could be a sign of oversaturation of one particular era/decade.
And he said the same thing I did, when I heard the title "Live at the Coliseum",, he asked which one ??
He is very knowledgeable in all types of music and did not have any further information. My best guess is Oakland Coliseum. Near a New Years run. I mentioned Richfield Coliseum , being from Ohio and RS owner stated he was at those shows. Just found out Easter is on 4-20 this year. RSD is 4-19 wooo hooo
Stridor it would be wonderful if they released this show since Bill Graham had booked them on the same bill. In fact 4/10/70 Miles Davis show is being released March 1st. I pre-ordered it at Amazon in January for $50 realizing there may be a chance Dave may release this show. It would be GREAT to have the whole show together that happened that night. Since pre-ordering the price has dropped to $38 bucks. Really looking forward to getting it. I'm excited this may be DaP 10.
MILES AT THE FILLMORE - Miles Davis 1970: The Bootleg Series Vol. 3
claney, there is something about that St. Paul show. I can't play it enough.
Here here once again for Santa Fe. Maybe the best Dead shows I saw in the 80s. Of course so much can be subjective. Frame of mind, Spirit, setting, crowd, audience, era, etc.. As for returned gems from early 1970 I can only wish, hope for 4/10/70.The Miles Davis set from that same night at the Fillmore West is on a double CD.
Under, nice to see the St Paul 77 show getting some love (in other threads too). I had that for years on CDR, only had listened to it once. Underwhelmed. Then, to my surprise, I heard it on the May 1977 box and it blew me away. You know that quest for "thick air?" - they found it in St. Paul. I'm still surprised, but it is my favorite of the five shows in the box (I sort of recognize Tuscaloosa as a "better" or "tighter" performance, but the sound, mellow loose vibe of St. Paul is my favorite).
I thought that box would sell out in weeks, but I'm glad it didn't. Everyone had a good long chance to think about it...and there is the download option I hope they keep doing that (lots of copies up front, download option).
As for RSD - interesting...
I don't know what this is yet, But Dave said that the plans for Spring 2014 and 2015 releases would be unbelievable. He made these comments a while back before the Black Friday release. We shall see-the wait is going to be tough but we can console ourselves with all the cool stuff already released. I just cranked the St. Paul show again from the May 77 box.
I wonder if it's a play on the words from 'Masterpiece'. After all, they did it with 'Postcards of the Hanging'. I guess they might have called it: 'Inside the Coliseum' if they were trying some word play though. I'm looking forward to more details.
Oakland, Copps, Richfield , Hampton , Charlotte, Greensboro, Nassau , Richmond. Could be an 89' or 90' show. After work I'm going to call my local record store for more info. He usually knows some minor details with all RSD Releases
Anyone know anything about this ?
Announced today at > http://new-vinyl.blogspot.com/
RSD Sat.04/19/14 ~ Grateful Dead Live at the Coliseum 2LP
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My second listen through Dave's 9 is on some nice Sennheiser headphones, and I must say this has upgraded my appreciation. Forget about that train wreck of PITB, go to US Blues through Row Jimmy. These renditions may be understated by some standards but the ensemble playing is sublime. Sometimes you have to sweep out the corners to find the hidden gems. Moving on to closer inspection of Disc 3 tomorrow...
Every Maiden album rocks, huge fan! Glad you mentioned it, I can't wait for their new album. Back to the Dead, it looks like May '77 has sold out finally. Should have scooped that one up. Last weekend, I listened to DaP Vol. 1, (5/25/77) and realized all over again how great that show was. Really digging on the Ratdog tour right now, Kimock is great.
From 1 through 9
They are all #1. Trick question. Gotcha. Enjoying Stella Blue from Vol 4 right now.
p.s. I'm a little drunk. Time for some chicken cacciatore...Lord, I miss them.
....was always a hot month for the boyz. Not sure why. Leaves falling, summer fading away, a change of seasons. Probably my favorite change of all. So go lycanthope, go with the sand and stone and roll away......
Santa Fe was in September. Go figure.
Killer show from the Capital Centre in Largo,MD gets my vote for a future DP treatment. Band was in superb form that night, with great versions of Loser, Ramble on Rose, Big River, along with Phil doing Tom's Thumbs Blues, Ship of Fools and a fabulous Morning Dew. Have a Grateful Day out there.
I was in Taos, NM the week they played Santa Fe Downs. I was with my family visiting relatives. Vaguely remember a lot of tie dyes in the vicinity but had no clue. Didn't get on the bus until '86. Was still into heavy metal (Ozzy, Maiden, Scorpions, etc.)So close, but yet so far. Oh well. And, yes, there are some good pics of the venue. Google Grateful Dead Santa Fe and you'll see. Still one one of the best Let It Grows out there. If I recall correctly, it was the first time Phil stepped up to the mic since '74. Storm clouds on the mesas. Beautiful county BTW. Still like to blow out the speakers with some vintage Maiden every now and then. Piece of Mind anyone?
Is there a consensus favorite, yet? I liked He's Gone (sorry I can't remember the artist!) I dare not load the actual thread as it causes browser weirdness. At least I can enjoy them daily as they are posted to the Dead.net landing page.
By the way, John Paul Roccaforte's version of "Ship of Fools" for the Dead Covers Project kills it!
A third vote for Santa Fe '83!
While we're hoping, wishing, and waiting... I wonder if Dave has a nice board of 9/14/82?
5/16/81 - first choice
2/18/71 - don't know if this show is in the vault but I think it is better than 2/19. I can listen to the DS>WR>DS sandwich anytime.
I'm on board 100% for a sweet Santa Fe '83 Matrix box set! There has gotta be some great photos from this stand.
And shall post again as a reminder. Cal Expo '89 or Santa Fe '83 would be really, really, really sweet. I will post again down the road as another freindly reminder.
How about a box set from either Fall 1979 or Radio City Music Hall 1980?
A triple post? Sheesh!!!
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Just sat down to a cup of Equal Exchange Ethiopian black ichor of the gods and the liner notes. How much fun must it have been for the Montana journalist to get to write "Sparky and the Ass Bites From Hell" in the local paper?
Dear Powers that be,
Please do not release any material from 1977 this year. When I grow up in 20 years I still would like to be pleasantly surprised when you release another killer show from '77. At the prior and current rate you have released 1977 material this might not be possible. I think about all the other little deadheads around the world who live daily without the comforts of 1967, 1981, 1991 and so on.
That dad was right. There's no such thing as too much '77.
Actually there's no such thing as too much from any year of GD.
It's all good...and good for you.
I do remember Dave mentioning in an interview that only the august 78 red rocks shows are in the vault. The July 1978 tapes are for sure missing. Lots of good suggestions in this thread for future releases. Next box possibilities are exciting!
It's understandable the criticism that there's enough 1977 for awhile. Last year's 5 show release finds even ferverent 77 fanatics in a tough place to remind there's still plenty of 77 golden nuggets remaining. Yet here I am, and perhaps the Winterland March run is the next 77 music that should be released, whenever this is. The Half-Step and Sugaree from 3/18 are enough to reward this set Landmark status- and finds Garcia playing some of the most inventive phrasings of the whole year. 3/19's first set belongs in the conversation of top first set of the year. These shows are filled with some of 77's best moments, and hopefully will see the same treatment as the June run.
p.s. This reminds of my favorite 1977 story- A fair young lad, seemingly confused, asked his Dad -what's too much 77? The Dad, with a grin said don't worry- there's no such thing.